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  1. #61
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    bounddreamer's Avatar
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    Talya Stormbreaker
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    You may want to switch from Scholar to Conjurer/White Mage on your way to 50, then 60. Because Scholars are absolutely 100% expected to DPS as well as heal. It's one of the things I loved about scholar enough to consider making that my main heal alt.
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  2. #62
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    Saseal Korei
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    /soothe First - You're still new to the game yet I wouldn't expect a newer player to do all the things senior players do.
    Second - Only DPS when you feel comfortable - there is no 'official' mandate that a healer - any of them - is required to DPS. SCH is probably easiest to DPS with, though, due to faerie healing (especially in lower level dungeons.... you could literally afk-follow and she'd do fine by herself >.>) - just to throw that out there.
    Also to throw this out there - people are going to complain, no matter what you do. It may not be something you see commonly or often, but they will complain.. it's just the nature of the social beast. It's unavoidable.... but I haven't seen anyone say anything, whether to me, co-healer or to the healer while I'm on DPS (but maybe I'm just lucky?)

    So, yeah... only DPS if you feel comfy. If not, then don't do it. It's only a game - regardless that some may take it more seriously than not. Unless you're getting a paycheck from this, or unless you joined a static that's committed to progression/raiding/savage, then something like healer DPS isn't something to be worried over - but it doesn't sound like you'll be doing that any time soon.

    How about this - if you do, in the future, decide to see what it's like, start small (Sastasha/Tam tara, etc.... even if you're leve 60) and work your way up when you feel comfy DPSing in those dungeons. And if you don't feel comfy, part way through or from the get-go, then don't. Think of it as just 'something to do' while you have down time (doing this, you just gauge in the beginning of each mob, how fast the tank's HP is going down... if it's very slow and nothing the faerie can't do herself, then, might as well...)

    As someone who mains healer, I'd rather see a healer be more active in healing, rather than one more active in DPSing just so they fit a standard made by the playerbase.... and then possibly make fatal mistakes. I'd wish I could see them push themselves further and not cling to the cure/physic button for a hair line of HP missing, but I'd rather not push my own play style on someone else, when it's not as detrimental as an over-DPSer (.....other than generating unnecessary enmity.... but I digress).

    Also, I find it easier to DPS on WHM than SCH o.o but that might just come down to overall experience.... when I go on WHM in content I've done often (and with a tank I know well/in FC) and I go ham... and just -destroy-. My Holy is my wrecking ball :|
    I go on SCH and I find myself healing the same time the fae does (2ish years of CNJ/WHM.... hard... to let go.... of solo healing..... hrnngg) while cautiously sprinkling DoTs/baning... (but maybe I'd only gotten paper tanks while leveling SCH, originally...?)
    AST I find I'm healing 95+% of the time, more than the other two (no matter how much I want to DPS...).
    With that said, if you're not particularly attached specifically to the SCH class, I'd suggest trying AST when you've hit Heavensward content (hell, you could switch to faux-SCH/Nocturnal stance if you want, if it's shields you want... though I'd suggest Diurnal/Faux-WHM by far x_x)


    Ironically, my sister - recently joined FFXIV from WoW and RO - is having a hard time finding the opposite ---- realizing that a healer CAN dps... when she -wants- the equiv of a battle priest (RO's stat-created class variant.... no real int and all melee stats like str/agi and dex or luk) just so she CAN DPS while healing o_oa (and we've directed her towards SCH/SMN because of this). *Will have to demonstrate that healers are not just healers in FFXIV, when she unlocks Sastasha...* I think it may be that she also hasn't encountered healer classes much like FFXIV's where someone can be just as dangerous DPSing on healer as they can on a DPS-type.... AND still be an effective healer (*hugs Cleric*). But she keeps asking for "the most like a battle priest" ala RO - and I've no real experience with WoW, so I may be incorrect on any of WoW's classes being similar to FFXIV's healer classes >.>
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    Last edited by Saseal; 10-03-2015 at 05:36 AM.

  3. #63
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    The only real classes on WoW that heal/DPS are really a spec of Priest and some totems with Shaman. I was a Druid for 10 years which is a heal over time healer so my time was spent constantly refreshing heals on the raid and the tank, there wasn't really time to DPS because you were constantly working your HoT rotation.

    If FFXIV had a class like that, I'd be in heaven. As it stands however, I'm just not comfortable DPSing at this point (At least with my WHM which I'm leveling to 34 for Stone Skin).
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by PriestAlseid View Post
    If FFXIV had a class like that, I'd be in heaven. As it stands however, I'm just not comfortable DPSing at this point (At least with my WHM which I'm leveling to 34 for Stone Skin).
    WHM eventually gets Regen, which helps. They also get an AoE regen (Medica II) at 50 that stacks with the single target Regen. Just don't cast HoTs at the end of a fight - it'll proc aggro on you if the tank hits another group with the HoT still up.

    WHM is about big heals and lots of healing. Most times I see someone's endgame raid DPS parse, the WHM has a DPS of 0. They're too busy actively healing. SCH, on the other hand, has three DoTs and a fairy that passively heals. They can also spread their DoTs to nearby targets with an oGCD skill, quickly DoTing an entire group of enemies for ~20 seconds with three GCDs (and an Aetherflow). Their heals also put up shields passively, so they can get more of a buffer before they need to do anything than WHM. All of this makes it much easier for SCH to DPS while healing.

    If healing is all you want to do, WHM may be better for you. It's harder for WHM to DPS, but that means in hard endgame content, they often don't and it's okay. But, in easy endgame content like dungeons, they're still expected to contribute to some extent.

    AST, when you get there, can either play like a WHM or like an SCH depending on which healing stance they use, but they have a little more active utility that improves DPS in the form of their cards. So, they have a little less time to DPS. That might also work better for you. Dunno.
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    If you're having downtime where the tank and raid is topped up, there's no reason not to switch over to Cleric and chuck out you DoTs/Bane as SCH or Stone/Holy as WHM (and later, Gravity as AST). As you get better with your Healing skills and also become familiar with the raid you're in you will get more confident to stance-dance and DPS while healing, which is the mark of a good healer in this game.

    If you don't want to DPS and want to still do some end game content, WHM (commonly, also AST) is usually given the role to solo-heal the raid while the SCH is the one stance-dancing and doing DPS. Alex Savage Floor 1 is the primary example for this, where WHM solo heals Faust and solo heals the Oppressor pre-split. Floor 2, they usually solo heal up until wave 5/6 as well, although if every mob is stunned, they can just got to Cleric and chuck out Holy and Stones until the stun wears off on the packs and resume solo healing after the stuns wear off.

    Could that be the solution you were looking for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PriestAlseid View Post
    A post mentioned before about switching into CS and selecting targets on the PS3, which I personally am finding extremely tedious, so maybe when my laptop is fixed and ready to go I'll be able to.
    Oh, play around with target filters. I have one so left/right scrolls enemies only and up/down does party. Also made a pc/npc/pet filter for fate healing.
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  7. #67
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    OP I don't want to sound confrontational but I'm genuinely curious. You said this: "I rolled a healer specifically because I didn't wanna DPS." I'm not really sure your reasoning or philosophy behind this, you or any healer who feels this way.

    Are you a pacifist? Well the rest of the group standing 5 feet from you are killing monsters and demons, and you're enabling that.

    Are you worried about the stress of having good DPS? I find healers are the most forgiven for "low DPS" as long as they make an effort when they can; I despise low DPS in PUGs but if the healer at least throws something up when he can I'm fine even if he's not some i210 jacked healer DPSer doing optimal rotations and potting. Even the WHMs who only throw up no Cleric Stance Aeros and Stones, well, they're doing something!

    To me I just don't make a distinction between a healer healing, and a healer healing and DPSing when he can, morally or philosophically. I don't see what the extra weight or baggage is to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PriestAlseid View Post
    The only real classes on WoW that heal/DPS are really a spec of Priest and some totems with Shaman. I was a Druid for 10 years which is a heal over time healer so my time was spent constantly refreshing heals on the raid and the tank, there wasn't really time to DPS because you were constantly working your HoT rotation.

    If FFXIV had a class like that, I'd be in heaven. As it stands however, I'm just not comfortable DPSing at this point (At least with my WHM which I'm leveling to 34 for Stone Skin).
    Don't worry too much about it. Yoshi-P himself has stated they generally don't balance content around having a necessity for healers to DPS. It's us, the players, who may want you to DPS. That being said, if you're not comfortable about it, then don't. For you, as a SCH, you'll have the easiest time learning to DPS. The fairy heals for a huge portion of your overall healing. As you level, that thing IS your party healer lol. Try running something like Sastasha or Totorak and you'll notice you almost never need to heal as SCH, since your fairy will pretty much overheal. Those low lvl dungeons are also an easy training tool to learning how to manually control your fairy to heal on command (alongside its auto-heal script), since as you're DPSing, you can control it as a separate character with its own GCD.

    Bottomline though, don't worry about DPSing if you don't want to. It helps, but it's far from mandatory in most groups, outside of things like Savage mode raids. And the only reason that is needed is because we want to clear it sooner than the devs intend for us to. Sometimes, like occasions like that or a bad dungeon group, the DPS will be lacking and can't keep up with a DPS check mechanic. Healers throwing out some damage can help save the party, but again... not really your responsibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    OP I don't want to sound confrontational but I'm genuinely curious. You said this: "I rolled a healer specifically because I didn't wanna DPS." I'm not really sure your reasoning or philosophy behind this, you or any healer who feels this way.

    Are you a pacifist? Well the rest of the group standing 5 feet from you are killing monsters and demons, and you're enabling that.

    Are you worried about the stress of having good DPS? I find healers are the most forgiven for "low DPS" as long as they make an effort when they can; I despise low DPS in PUGs but if the healer at least throws something up when he can I'm fine even if he's not some i210 jacked healer DPSer doing optimal rotations and potting. Even the WHMs who only throw up no Cleric Stance Aeros and Stones, well, they're doing something!

    To me I just don't make a distinction between a healer healing, and a healer healing and DPSing when he can, morally or philosophically. I don't see what the extra weight or baggage is to it.
    It's the role itself that you need to consider. In most traditional RPGs, the healer is NOT a damage source. They may have a mediocre spell or two that is intended for damage, but you just basically keep them in the back and heal when needed since their damage output is pathetic. That's why they're there, to heal, after all. It's only the modernized MMORPGs that popularized the idea of healers doing damage as part of a community expectation. The devs, however, will rarely ever create content with the expectation that healers must DPS for everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    Don't worry too much about it. Yoshi-P himself has stated they generally don't balance content around having a necessity for healers to DPS.
    It's funny how that Yoshi-P interview has become some kind of memetic mutation that took a statement very specifically pertaining to how DPS expectations were calculated for raid scenarios and got blown up into what the devs intend for the entire game.

    That being said, I do believe that the devs have purposefully avoided taking a hardline stance on the more general issue. They understandably don't want to alienate customers who are far behind the gameplay curve by sending them the harsh message of "Get off your ass, stop watching Netflix, and hit a mob if you have nothing better to do."
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    Being honest, it wouldn't bother me in 90% of content unless it looks like you're doing absolutely nothing, like those times when the incoming damage is really, really low. And that's mostly just because it makes me feel like you're just watching us do all the work.

    Quote Originally Posted by deos View Post
    fun fact:
    when it comes to recommendations after a dungeon with a random group most of the time a healer which is only healing gets way more than a healer which throws in good dps as well
    why? thats what i would love to know too...
    Not gonna lie, while healer dps is nice, when I tank a dungeon I feel much better not having to worry about whether I need to pop hallowed ground on every other pull. HP bar limbo just isn't very fun when it's my hp bar and I have no real control over it. I guess I've been dropped one too many times in these trust exercises with df healers.
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