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    Quote Originally Posted by Madjames View Post
    But is IS a raiding game. If it was not then raids would not be in this game at all.
    We've had a total of 16 "Raid" bosses over 3 years....this is not a raiding mmo. Stick to WoW or one of it's clones for more content as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    We've had a total of 16 "Raid" bosses over 3 years....this is not a raiding mmo. Stick to WoW or one of it's clones for more content as such.
    Asking for more raid content that is more in depth and creative is not a bad and non-justified request. It is a raiding mmorpg because that is what its end game is designed around, sorry to say. SE just needs to implement more raids, better content, and more creative raids for the raiders out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madjames View Post
    Asking for more raid content that is more in depth and creative is not a bad and non-justified request. It is a raiding mmorpg because that is what its end game is designed around, sorry to say. SE just needs to implement more raids, better content, and more creative raids for the raiders out there.
    That's deflection, I never stated asking for anything is wrong, I said you're wrong stating this is a raiding mmo. Clearly you've missed 90% of the endgame material if you believe this:
    PVP(Endgame)
    Hunts(Endgame)
    Gathering unspoiled nodes(endgame)
    Crafting star recipes(Endgame)
    Relic quests(Endgame)
    Expert Dungeons(Endgame)
    need I go on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    That's deflection, I never stated asking for anything is wrong, I said you're wrong stating this is a raiding mmo. Clearly you've missed 90% of the endgame material if you believe this:
    PVP(Endgame)
    Hunts(Endgame)
    Gathering unspoiled nodes(endgame)
    Crafting star recipes(Endgame)
    Relic quests(Endgame)
    Expert Dungeons(Endgame)
    need I go on?
    PVP (Not their for everyone and should not be firced, I hate pvp)
    Hunts (I do them daily)
    Gathering (Meh its ok but not there yet)
    Crafting (I have not crafted in a single mmorpg for 18 years, will not start now)
    Ralic quest (I see no HW relic quest but when it comes I will do it)
    Expert Dungeons (I do them some but almost at a point where I dont need to anymore)

    The issue is that the stuff you listed is moot and can be completed in a couple of hours if that, in any given day. Some raiders such as myself want to spend their days going into raids and having them take days or a week to complete. That is how mmorpgs have worked for the last 15 years, I see no reason with changing that or asking for that awesome experience back again. Ulduar was the best raid on the planet as far as fun, difficulty, and enjoyable experience was back in the day. I see SE being able to surpass that with their end game content being focused on raiding anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madjames View Post
    Crafting (I have not crafted in a single mmorpg for 18 years, will not start now)
    Man I feel bad for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    Man I feel bad for you
    There's plenty of games that have done crafting rather well and this is not one of them for me.

    I cannot *stand* crafting in FFXIV. It's boring as balls.


    If you are upset on the size, please take into consideration and look up past live letters, letters from the producer going as far as pre-lauch. I say this due to yoshida said time and time again content is set up in the way it is, so if a player can only play for an hour or two they can do stuff.
    If the instance didn't expire in 90 minutes or whatever, killing one or two bosses in a 14 boss dungeon and then coming back the next day is perfectly feasible.

    In both WoW and EverQuest 2, raids persist for the entirety of the lockout. If I walk into a raid instance and get saved to an ID(Mythic raiding in wow, any raiding period in EQ2), that raid instance stays the same exact way when I load into it. If I killed X and Y, but not Z, when anyone that enters with my ID goes in there, all they see is Z is alive, and any trash linked to it is alive.

    It wouldnt work here, because regardless if you killed anything or not, the instance is "done" in 80 or 90 minutes, and you have to start completely over.

    Which I still think is stupid for raid content.
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    Last edited by Nadirah; 10-03-2015 at 02:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    I cannot *stand* crafting in FFXIV. It's boring as balls.
    Wait wut? this game has most involving crafting system i have ever encountered, instead of "press button to craft" you actually need a rotation and manage you buffs while doing that.
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    If you're not raiding in this game, then what ARE you doing? Farming tomes? Triple Triad? Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madjames View Post
    Asking for more raid content that is more in depth and creative is not a bad and non-justified request. It is a raiding mmorpg because that is what its end game is designed around, sorry to say. SE just needs to implement more raids, better content, and more creative raids for the raiders out there.
    Even if raiding is done by a small amount of people. That's silly.

    Seasonal events are done by more players than raiding so wouldn't it make more sense to spend resources on those than raiders who are a very small minority?

    There is a reason why you only get a small amount of bosses. It's intentional.

    Just because you, your mate, and your FC raid doesn't mean everyone else does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saccharin View Post
    Even if raiding is done by a small amount of people. That's silly.

    Seasonal events are done by more players than raiding so wouldn't it make more sense to spend resources on those than raiders who are a very small minority?

    There is a reason why you only get a small amount of bosses. It's intentional.

    Just because you, your mate, and your FC raid doesn't mean everyone else does.
    The only reason I did seasonal events was because I was bored out of my brains. And it's not real content.
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