Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
And nobody is forcing me to stay in my home country
Nice and irrelevant analogy.

It's their fault for not exercising their option to get better.
Can you guarantee that the only people kicked out have the option to get better? Meaning no medical issues restricting them or anything like that?

Just like if I need someone who can do X DPS, I'm not going to take someone who has less than X DPS.
And that's what premaking parties is for. If you refuse to exercise this option, why do you feel you have the right to take it out on other people?

The question isn't actually if anyone would do it, but rather how many would do it.
And it'd be up to you to prove that not enough would do it to worry about it. Good luck!

Because, y'know, they have no right to waste my time
The difference is that they're not forcing you to waste your time. You can create a group of your own if you want to control how long the run will take, and you can leave the run if you don't like it. Ignoring that you can premake groups with people you know doesn't make it an invalid point.

I should sacrifice my own time by abandoning the group
What makes your time more worth it than theirs? Hint: No answer will make you not sound selfish.

Now how about the person parsing below the PLD or healer or LB DPS?
I'd live with it. I have before. But then, I don't put myself above the other person. They pay just as much as I do to play the game (probably).

Get a sense of what most people consider reasonable, and use that as your standard.
So if the majority of people in DF are underperforming and are fine with it, as some people would have you believe with how much they rage about DF, then would you accept that what you consider underperforming is reasonable and you are unreasonable in thinking anybody should be kicked for it?

The only objective "reasonable" DPS is enough to clear.

You're still advocating increasing the concentration of bad players in DF.
Which would more effectively make people pull up their socks than kicking them. If you kick them, they just think that you're a jerk. If they only get grouped with other bad players and literally cannot complete the content, they have no choice but to get better. And in the end, if they're wasting their time in the runs because they literally cannot clear them, then that's still their choice.

Because a chunk of people who could be helping them aren't in DF anymore.
Internet exists. This forum exists. If they're actually willing to want help getting better, they can either ask in the game or look at the various "guides" threads here. If they're not willing to seek out the help, odds are those people in DF wouldn't get through to them anyways.

It's probably not the first thing most people think of, but some people might.
And some people might see it as a refreshing step away from the elitist mentality of other games. Two sides of the same coin, neither particularly more valid than the other.

no way to check our DPS
They allow ACT to exist and accept that people use it. They don't owe anything more. Start complaining when they try to start tracking it and ban anyone that uses it.

And of course, you're actually suggesting having a pool of people to choose from and never playing with anyone outside them.
Do you think that any world first savage clears were done with random groups? I'm suggesting doing something that has been an accepted part of MMOs since... well, a long dang time. I didn't pug Molten Core raids back in WoW, I tell ya what.

Except that some of the significant issues are still hard to see unless you spend an inordinate amount of time watching one person.
Not really. I went through a dungeon run a couple days ago with a DRG that rarely used Heavy Thrust. Wasn't that hard to notice that the buff wasn't going on them after a quick glance at the threat meter showed them as half my BLM's threat with Quelling Strikes used.

I feel like we already had this conversation.
Yep, and I still maintain my original position that personal parsers and party parsers are two different beasts and the former has objectively less drawbacks than the latter.