The Real Problem with Parsers

[Erim-Nelhah]

...lots of long posts...

So, because (assuming you're playing DPS that day) someone might say something like "Wraith, your dps sux, L2P Noob", I shouldn't be able to say something like "Wraith, you're only doing half the DPS of the other DPS, can you please step it up a bit?"

Or do you honestly think the latter is so demeaning that even THAT shouldn't be said, ever?

--Erim Nelhah

[StouterTaru]

The difference, again, is the policy. Jerks can run parsers now, but they can't say anything. Adding in an official parser and maintaining the same policy that they can't say anything will not increase verbal harassment because they're still not allowed to say anything, but that defeats your purpose of wanting to be able to call people out on their DPS. Not adding in an official parser but rescinding the current policy about not talking about it will, clearly, increase the number of people calling others out on DPS.

You can't use a parser (but they won't enforce it unless you use it to harass someone in game.) You CAN call someone out for poor damage, there is nothing in the ToS against that.

[waifugenerator]

How would a personal parser be a problem at all??? It'd let PS4/3/bad players see what numbers they're pulling, and help them improve. It gets kinda annoying having to ask my PC friends to parse me

[SlyRoyale]

It'd be great if console players could have access to an official parser instead of relying on their PC friends to check their numbers for them. To be brutally frank, I feel unfairly excluded from the information parsers reveal simply because I do not play on the right platform that can use third-party programs to collect that information. It contains information that every player should have the right to observe for the sake of self-betterment and working with others to help them improve, or in some cases improve together. As for those who would abuse such information, we already have the means to deal with it. An official parser wouldn't make things any different.

I honestly believe that a parser is more beneficial than it is harmful as some fear.

[drmambo1999]

Oh my......O.O That's a lot of aggressive multi quoting about something that, is for the most part, a hypothetical conversation. XD

I stand by my original opinion. I don't think official parsers will affect the community all that much despite individual feelings about how players treat others regarding their DPS.

I will agree with, as stated above, having a personal or private parser would be nice just for the sake of self improvement.

[OPneedNerfs]

To those okay with people doing insanely low dps, would you report someone who only auto-attacked the whole dungeon? If you would, congratulations you're a hypocrite.

[NekoGenesis]

However, the state of the game currently is that parsers are being used (by PC players) extensively, and since we're not allowed to mention parsers or anyone's numbers for fear of getting suspended/banned it's hard to tell DPS when they need to improve and when they need to pick up the slack.

Parsers don't really make people assholes either - they were already assholes in the beginning if they kick you because you do 50 DPS less than the super optimal hyper mega perfect rotation posted by *insert famous youtuber here*. And in this game, they kick you anyway because they're parsing using a 3rd party program instead of an official one, they just don't tell you why they kicked you, and it will get filed under the catch-all "differing playstyles" reason for kicking (if in a dungeon) and in a PF you'll probably just get booted.

In some aspects of the game where DPS checks are important (Bismarck EX being the most common example), it does not make sense why DPS are not being held accountable for their performance. If a tank does bad, your party wipes. If a healer does bad, your party wipes. If a DPS does bad, in Bismarck EX, Ravana EX and in Savage, your party wipes but they get away with it because lolparsers (either that or the entire group of DPS gets kicked, the party falls apart, and you're back to shouting in PF looking for a clear, which is unfair on the 3 other DPS if its only 1 DPS that's bringing the group down). Now its easy to pinpoint the problem if its the Tank or Healer stuffing up. If the Tank's health drops to 0 suddenly, it means they didn't use the appropriate cooldowns to mitigate incoming tankbuster damage. It is also obvious if a Healer is struggling and can't keep up with the Healing required for a fight. It's harder to discern the individual damage of a DPS unless you're watching them more than you're concentrating on your own character or the actual fight.

[rappa]

The discussion brings me a situation happened in a turn 10 farm.

I joined a "PF Turn 10 farm" i need the dex earring because in 3 months i don't see the drop.

A scholar doing 300 dps, me doing 550-600 with echo, a drg doing 450, but a blm and another bard doing 200-250 dps. Was the first time i saw Imdugud to reach +12 stacks.
Obviously we wiped and the bard wrote "noobs, i'll add you to BL. I don't wanna play with you". I feel ashamed and go mad, because one of the reason to unable kill the boss was his dps and i can't say it.

I avoid DF and PF, i am an average player, i do savage and i would help PF/DF to clear content, but they are piss me off all the time with low dps, bad manners and shit talk. I don't deserve that and i give my condolences to good players which have to clear content via DF/PF.

[Aomine1992]

I avoid DF and PF, i am an average player, i do savage and i would help PF/DF to clear content, but they are piss me off all the time with low dps, bad manners and shit talk. I don't deserve that and i give my condolences to good players which have to clear content via DF/PF.

Lol terrible!! I'm one of those DF/PF ppl cause I don't have patients to wait on my slow FC peeps. I always see the bad dps like a SMN using Titan or no pet at all, or a BLM not using enochian (ex roulette has never been longer) but I just roll with it cause I'm just so used to bad players now I don't pay it any attention unless we are in like raid content then I just pray that someone turns into a super golem lol

[Martin_Arcainess]

I love it and I mean love it when people just come out with random figures like the 1% will be happy and 99% will leave, it just goes to show that we can have accesses to SE database and surveys and just appreciate all the hard work people go into to give us these % figures.

Now back onto the subject, I would SE to have a Parser, for myself personnel, too see how I can boost my DPS rotation and to help people out. I went to do Ramuh EX and we was struggling to pass the Adds, if I had a parser, I could see who's not pulling there weight and help them out and help them be a better DPS \o/

In short it's all down to how users use the parsers.