The Real Problem with Parsers

[Aiselia]

Does it count as selfish if you do something that benefits you along with everyone else, or when you do something that benefits you at the expense of everyone else?

It counts as selfish force your will to negatively impact somebody else when you have the option to remove yourself from that party as well as create your own parties. You seem to keep glossing over the fact that nobody is forcing you into DF to deal with these people.

I'd rather pick the option that increases the general skill level of the populace, not the one that lowers it. It's already plenty low.

I'd rather pick the option that includes the largest amount of people rather than exclude them based on a subjective "requirement". If anyone leaves the game because they can't control DF, that's their own fault for not exercising their other options. If someone leaves the game because people are just kicking them, well...

I suppose you don't clean cuts either, because it hurts to clean them even though it leads to a more desirable outcome.

I suppose that if someone gets a cut on their arm in public, you'd be fine if someone shot the person in the face to avoid the person being hurt because that person would then go to jail and clean up the streets. (I can make non sequiturs too!)

A more relevant analogy would have been that I don't take it upon myself to empty a bottle of rubbing alcohol on somebody else's cut because they didn't care to clean it themselves.

Besides, are you really arguing that we should go back to the days of "LFG BRD+BLM for WP SR! Must have relic+1 and full Darklight!"?

If it would keep those people out of DF, yes.

Rather exactly the problem, isn't it?

It is. Acceptable DPS is subjective. You may feel like you're carrying someone only if they're doing 200 DPS. Someone else may feel like they're carrying someone if they're doing only 900 DPS when they could be doing 1200. That's why it shouldn't be a valid reason for kicking.

I wouldn't usually consider it enough to kick, though.

Which leads us back to "It doesn't matter if YOU would. It matters if anybody would."

If they can't complete the content, they're wasting their own queue time.

And that's their own choice that they make. You aren't chosen to make the choice for them.

I can either

Or, option 3, you can leave the run and not force your will on someone else.

How would you feel if you kept getting matched with DPS who would only auto-attack during each of your roulette runs?

I'd start preforming my parties. Regardless, if someone's only autoattacking, there's problems there besides "Their DPS is too low." Not sure how many times I'll have to say this, but the biggest issue is not the people who see someone slapping themselves on follow while they don't play the game (which if they do, I'd consider that AFKing, and an auto-attack only person may be poorly botting which I'd file under cheating). The biggest issue is the people who simply see anything less than A4S-clear quality playing as being carried.

There's a reason that carries are sold for millions of gil.

Never seen anybody sell carries for anything I'd use DF for. Which is to say, I don't use DF for things like EX primals or raids except possibly the 24-man ones. And why don't I? Because I'm aware that there will be people in there that are going to just be bad, and proactively exercise my options to avoid them.

Shouldn't need to premake a party to finish Neverreap in a reasonable time.

Are you the objective judge of what's reasonable?

if you're really telling all the most competent people to just make premades

I'm not. I'm telling the people who don't want to deal with random people to make premades. Some of us competent people don't really care if we take 40 minutes in Neverreap or 20. A clear's a clear.

you're directly advocating for a DF pool of incompetent people.

At which point they either learn to swim or they sink, which is just as likely to increase average skill level of DF without having some random person arbitrarily take the decision on how valuable another person's queue time was upon themselves.

What kind of reputation do they want?

Ask them. And ask everybody what they think of the company, rather than asserting your own viewpoint as what their reputation is.

Mind telling me where they are?

Click on Settings at the top right. Go to the left under "My settings > My profile" and click "Edit Character". This gives you a list of all characters on your account. Anything in brown is displayed, anything grey is not. The one with the gold star is your "main". It's the same place you pick which jobs to display.

You really seem to think that preforming a party is magically going to keep underperformers out, don't you?

Of course not, if you're still taking random people that you don't know and don't really check up on beforehand, which I'd hope you would do if you were going to do anything serious where top-tier DPS really is quite important.

That's really your solution?

When I desperately need or want to clear Expert Roulette in 20- minutes, I make a FC group. I also generally queue with my husband as a DPS while I tank so I know at least one DPS will be fine. But then, as I said, I generally don't really care if Expert Roulette takes 20 minutes or 40 as long as we clear it.

Good job trying to extrapolate that out to everyone, though.

I wasn't trying to extrapolate it out to everyone. I said that the people who have significant issues can be seen without parsers. Anyone without a significant issue isn't generally worth calling out or necessarily preventing the group from clearing unless it's top-tier content, in which case I'd expect at least one person already has a parser and doesn't need a built-in one.

Your argument was that you've never done content in duty finder where dps prevented completing it, therefore such content doesn't exist.

That wasn't my argument at all. My statement was that I haven't been stuck on duty finder content due to low DPS. I didn't say that everything that you can queue for in duty finder didn't have DPS checks.