The Real Problem with Parsers

[Whiteroom]

Well really, the community keeps saying that devs keep on saying that they don't support parsers.

What the devs have actually said that they don't really care and understand their utility. https://youtu.be/3-WXYg-S05U?t=6m6s

Their lack of implementing them has the same effect though, regardless of their feelings. Things seem to be much better on the japan servers though, maybe thats is why the issue hasn't gotten the attention it needs.

But really, they don't support them, otherwise there wouldn't be the whole "don't ask, don't tell" thing going on. And they would be exempt from the third party rule. Understanding their utility and supporting them are two different things.

[RiceisNice]

Well really, the community keeps saying that devs keep on saying that they don't support parsers.

What the devs have actually said that they don't really care and understand their utility. https://youtu.be/3-WXYg-S05U?t=6m6s

Also the part where they'd said there should be some understanding, responsibility and that we're all adults here. :x

Their lack of implementing them has the same effect though, regardless of their feelings. Things seem to be much better on the japan servers though, maybe thats is why the issue hasn't gotten the attention it needs.

Until we'd get a definite statement on it, we're only grasping at straws on why they don't want to implement somehting like a parser. Hell, it's taken us until 3.05 to get a TP bar of all things because of UI restrictions and trying to keep it in line with PS3 limitations so they wouldn't at an unfair disadvantage.

[Aiselia]

If i queu for a lvl 60 dungeon and someone with similar gear is pulling 500dps while i pull 1.4k, ill kick them. i'm here for my eso or drop, not to carry their lazy ass

Pro-tip: You can go into Expert Roulette with a premade group. Do that and keep your toxicity out of the actual roulette. You'll get through your runs faster and nobody will have to deal with you.

[Causality]

Funny because im pretty sure the majority would vote for parser.

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If i queu for a lvl 60 dungeon and someone with similar gear is pulling 500dps while i pull 1.4k, ill kick them. i'm here for my eso or drop, not to carry their lazy ass

You're worried about the other person's DPS in a level 60 Dungeon that's 3 manable with a 700DPS in i150s? And you do 1.4K? Somethings wrong here. Obviously the Tank isn't pulling fast enough to tear your eyes off of your parser.

[Sacerdos]

Even if they add a in game parser, as long as its still a reportable offense for being an abusive dick, then everything is pretty much the same as it is now.

Abusive dicks will be abusive dicks whether or not they have a dps parse, and nice people will be nice whether or not they have a dps parse.

[MayuraT]

Even if they add a in game parser, as long as its still a reportable offense for being an abusive dick, then everything is pretty much the same as it is now.

Abusive dicks will be abusive dicks whether or not they have a dps parse, and nice people will be nice whether or not they have a dps parse.

It is simply that ^ Parser or not...

As far as dungeon time goes, i remember when i first got to 60 (first week when it came out, i had pre-order so really it was 2nd week) everyone had almost fresh minimum gear and it took about 30-35 min to clear, and it's not because we were bad, it was simply gear limitations. So i'd say anything under 35 should be acceptable since it's DF (even though i constantly clear it under 20 now). To say 30-35 is too much then you really should just pre-make the party but of course that's my opinion.

However, again, as Sacerdos says, those that are intolerant will be so whether with or without parser.

[Sessurea]

"I want to play how I want to play"

99% of the time nothing is stopping you dude. Savage raids this cannot be though. And no1 cares for parsers outside savage raids.

And FYI, se will add parsers just to the dummies. So in reality the community will not change at all, but player will be able to observe their current dps, if they wish it.

This is healthy change considering some players are hurt and stumped by faust in Floor1 savage failure, which is hardly a dps check but more a rotation check.

[Eye_Gore]

How long should a dungeon take?

[SlyRoyale]

How long should a dungeon take?

Gonna bite here: on average it should take around 15 to 20 minutes to clear a dungeon, unless it is one like Aurum Vale in which you add at least an additional 10 minutes on top of that estimate.

Regarding parsers, I actually want SE to add them to the game. As a player who constantly seeks self-improvement, I am very interested in knowing how well I do. I feel that I am a burden when I ask my PC friends what my DPS was after fights. It is a shame that those who play on a non-PC platform do not have access to the tools PC players do, albeit being third-party. Parsers are merely tools, yet the fear against them stems from the irresponsibility of those who would use it to harass others instead of the intended purpose of showing where people stand and see whether or not they can improve.

The problem lies not with parsers, but those who would abuse them. That's all.

[fm_fenrir]

Quick note: Even without parsers you can get an idea of who's doing what based on threat gauges. If I see a DRG pop in my expert, with similar (or better) gear than mine, and he's under 50% of my threat for an entire fight, something is seriously wrong.

I shouldn't be doing enough dps on my own to literally drop the second dps from an expert and clear the fight normally--specific example cited is the time we locked a DRG out of phantom ray because he d/c'd right as we engaged, and that fight went as well as the others did (since that guy contributed absolutely nothing to the second and third fights when he came back).