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  1. #931
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    Havenchild's Avatar
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    Avalen Koma
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    Send your parses to Alethea fellow SMNs :O
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  2. #932
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    Important to note that as a model you can easily treat DoTs as big "nukes" with a CD the same as their duration. If you do this, you'll realize that our "CDs" scale with SS which no other class does.
    That's exactly how my Model works
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  3. #933
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    Sidra Swiftwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post

    Important to note that as a model you can easily treat DoTs as big "nukes" with a CD the same as their duration. If you do this, you'll realize that our "CDs" scale with SS which no other class does.

    Thus...SS is good.
    Can you please explain that further, I don't understand. I get the idea of treating a dot like a nuke with the duration of the dot. Makes sense. But as the dot timer is fixed, and not a function of spell speed, I am not getting the "If you do this, you'll realize that our "CDs" scale with SS which no other class does." part.

    At the end of the day, however the math ends up working, The only value I see in spell speed would be whatever additional ruin casts it would create.
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    Last edited by Sidra; 08-22-2015 at 06:08 AM.

  4. #934
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    As in, instead of treating BioII as a skill which does x10 35 Potency Ticks, you treat BioII has a 350 Potency skill, then remove the DoT ticks when you are, or will, clip the DoT. So of course, if you have a higher Skillspeed, you can push that 350 Potency out quicker. The function remains the same, you're not messing with DoT ticks and it just makes everything easier to handle.
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  5. #935
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    Yuni Azure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Send your parses to Alethea fellow SMNs :O
    does alethea have a reddit account? x:
    I can send it there
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  6. #936
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    Sidra Swiftwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
    As in, instead of treating BioII as a skill which does x10 35 Potency Ticks, you treat Bio has a 350 Potency skill, then remove the DoT ticks when you are, or will, clip the DoT.
    I understand that part - it's the spell speed impact I am not getting. So I cast a 350 potency nuke. 30 seconds later I cast it again. I could triple my spell speed, and it won't make that Bio2 do more dmg (aside from its direct dmg impact, which I believe you've confirmed to be less than det). And it won't let me cast more Bio2's. How does that interaction cause the statement: " our "CDs" scale with SS which no other class does." I feel like it's more the opposite, as so much of our damage is via dots and ogcds, it actually impacts SMN less than most.

    Also please note as I know things do not always come across the right way via typing - but I am not trying to be difficult or even argue - simply trying to understand.
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  7. #937
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    http://puu.sh/jJJdX/73a71f939e.png

    Can people double check everything looks "okay" so far and also tell me if the DoT timings look "accurate"? If you want, I can post a pic with a desired Skillspeed (takes less than 5s to change, take pic, upload and post) so you can check timings for me.The Rotation is in Column B. The timers of the remaining duration of DoTs are Columns C, F, I , L, O and R for Dreadwyrm Trance (It's labelled Botd atm lol)

    Again, no pets. Fester isn't in the GCD rotation, but instead, I've just treated it as a 10s oCD. A lot of other things I need to sort out, but that's the progress so far. Just want to check everything is "up to your standard".
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    Last edited by Dervy; 08-22-2015 at 06:37 AM.

  8. #938
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    Alethea Wyste
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minorinz View Post
    does alethea have a reddit account? x:
    I can send it there
    All contact information is here: http://bit.ly/smnonlydps

    Anyways, I do, but I rather not get messages from there. I made a form for people who don't want to send through email and reddit.

    Form: http://bit.ly/smndpsform
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  9. #939
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizuna View Post
    All contact information is here: http://bit.ly/smnonlydps

    Anyways, I do, but I rather not get messages from there. I made a form for people who don't want to send through email and reddit.

    Form: http://bit.ly/smndpsform
    Alright cool
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  10. #940
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    Acer Highwind
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    Malboro
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    Meh.. I think it would have been better to allow summoners to summon more than one pet at once, and just give us abilities to buff and sustain them while also controlling them. In my opinion that’s where the summoner should get its dps from, then again I could just be retarded
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    Last edited by Acer16; 08-22-2015 at 07:23 AM.

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