Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Sunako]

Ya I mean only 2 skills but yah it is probably 20% ~ your overall damage so is pretty big part of your dps

[Dervy]

As I said, it's still incomplete. I'm still working on Pets, I'm still working on oCDs. Ruin II is annoying as it functions differently and my DoT timer is really odd to say the least cause of all of the Summoner DoTs operating differently. Some are instant casts, others land the DOT after the cast. All of these will affect Skillspeed and the most important part is where I create the "Loop" of the rotation.

All of these will heavily fluctuate the weight of Skillspeed because of how "Fragile" the summoner is in relation to cast times and DoT ticks.

What I can, 100% confirm are these:

WD: 8.763
DET: 0.145
CRT: 0.170

[Sidra]

Good luck on spell speed and pets While it effects their true cast and recasts of their GCD skill, that amount is not shown on the hover over of their ability - you basically need to parse to and count attack over some set of time to see what the impact is.

[Charybdis]

As I said, it's still incomplete. I'm still working on Pets, I'm still working on oCDs. Ruin II is annoying as it functions differently and my DoT timer is really odd to say the least cause of all of the Summoner DoTs operating differently. Some are instant casts, others land the DOT after the cast. All of these will affect Skillspeed and the most important part is where I create the "Loop" of the rotation.

All of these will heavily fluctuate the weight of Skillspeed because of how "Fragile" the summoner is in relation to cast times and DoT ticks.

What I can, 100% confirm are these:

WD: 8.763
DET: 0.145
CRT: 0.170

Summoners sound like an incredibly Painflare in the ass to breakdown. We all appreciate the work you're doing in getting us the weights. Dervy for president!

[Judge_Xero]

As I said, it's still incomplete. I'm still working on Pets, I'm still working on oCDs. Ruin II is annoying as it functions differently and my DoT timer is really odd to say the least cause of all of the Summoner DoTs operating differently. Some are instant casts, others land the DOT after the cast. All of these will affect Skillspeed and the most important part is where I create the "Loop" of the rotation.

All of these will heavily fluctuate the weight of Skillspeed because of how "Fragile" the summoner is in relation to cast times and DoT ticks.

What I can, 100% confirm are these:

WD: 8.763
DET: 0.145
CRT: 0.170

Good luck on tracking the relationship of SPD, Crit and Enhanced Pet (I threw up an example in the previous page about it's impact)

[Dervy]

Ye.. I think Summoner is something that's gonna take a while for me to do.

[Judge_Xero]

Ye.. I think Summoner is something that's gonna take a while for me to do.

I bet.

Also I'm fairly certain that Enhanced Pet also increases the Pet Attack speed this time around since SE changed things to update pet stats in real-time.

So by stacking Crit/SPD, not only are you increasing the rate at which the proc happens, but you are also increasing the speed the pet attacks when it procs, thus increasing the chances further of getting more procs just because the pet is attacking even faster.

Pretty cool deal for the pet, but I guess that really only means extra SPD for the SMN, but that'd be sweet if a consistent 20% of your total (includes your Base SPD) SPD was added to your Dots/Increasing casts

[Havenchild]

Ya I mean only 2 skills but yah it is probably 20% ~ your overall damage so is pretty big part of your dps

Ruin I/II/III, Fester, Painflare, Energy Drain, Deathflare.

Considering you primarily Ruin III in + 2x Fester in DWT, were talking about 7-8 skills every minute in DWT alone and majority of general casting. Now you can easily say, yeah but some of those skills SS affects by giving you an additional cast but that's largely a false argument as over the course of an encounter you still likely didn't gain a cast with the current spellspeed scaling. Those skills also not being modified in damage from SS.

Now DET however would be modifying the damage on those skills, as well as the DoTs. In terms of DoTs, DET and SS seemed to be on some equalish standing, so it seems unlikely that SS on DoTs is so profound over DET now that it discredits entirely the contributions DET has on all the other skills and would have to rely on Enhanced Pet actions to make a comeback persay.

[Minorinz]

nomnomnom all them CRITS!! Anyway since no1 replied ima take a guess and say ifrit > garuda right now on single target

[pandabearcat]

Kinda makes perfect sense that SS is better for SMN more than any other class.

The vast marjority of SMN dps is non-CD based. You only really have Fester and Deathflare (enkindle too - but that is such a long cd it barely affects any dps) as non CD based abilities.

Compare to, say DRG with all of its off GCD being CDs, etc.

BLM probably affected similarly to us, but idk since I do not play that class. Well I don't play SMN anymore anyway, but =(

Important to note that as a model you can easily treat DoTs as big "nukes" with a CD the same as their duration. If you do this, you'll realize that our "CDs" scale with SS which no other class does.

Thus...SS is good.

Importantly I am unsure whether you can feasibly get enough SS to fit another ruin III into DT. It will be pushing it to be sure, and you cannot macro Deathflare if you want to last second it.