Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Havenchild]

Idk it's kinda strange to hear SS > DET considering what each affects.

DET Contributions:

All skills both from caster, auto-attacks and Pet.

SS Contributions:

DoT damage and Pet.

By that simple look at what each affect, SS would have to contribute quite a lot to overpower gains in all those areas from DET.

[T0rin]

Idk it's kinda strange to hear SS > DET considering what each affects.

DET Contributions:

All skills both from caster, auto-attacks and Pet.

SS Contributions:

DoT damage and Pet.

By that simple look at what each affect, SS would have to contribute quite a lot to overpower gains in all those areas from DET.

SS affects GCDs as well, so more Ruin spam.

[Judge_Xero]

Idk it's kinda strange to hear SS > DET considering what each affects.

DET Contributions:

All skills both from caster, auto-attacks and Pet.

SS Contributions:

DoT damage and Pet.

By that simple look at what each affect, SS would have to contribute quite a lot to overpower gains in all those areas from DET.

It might have something to do with the scaling of the stats.

While this doesn't include a comparison of how SPD/DET effects Dot damage (as I haven't spent a lot of time on it to compare the two to see which is better)

~ 62.5 SPD = 1% Damage increase (Different on anything with an Auto Attack i.e. if 30% of your damage is AA this would change to ~89 SPD = 1%)
73 DET = 1% Damage increase
~84.5 Crit = 1% Damage increase - Crit has exponential gains through increasing both Chance and Multi so it will quickly overcome both DET/SPD)
i.e. @ just an increase of 10% (15% Rate/1.55 Multi), Crit jumps to 70.42 for a 1% gain.
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Per point, SPD is significantly stronger especially if it increases DOT damage @ or greater than DET.

But yeah....oGCD skills

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Edited: I'm not sure how Enhanced Pet gets factored since it's somewhat Random, but I guess you would be looking at
Ifrit -> (Crit % X EP %)(Time/PetGCD) X 8s -> To get the % of time Enhanced Pet is active, then include that to the weight?

i.e.
Ifrit @ 20% Crit and +1000 SPD {1354} (16% increased attack speed 2.52GCD))
= 4% Chance @ Proc (@ 60s = 20 AA and 24 BS (simplified by not including other CD skills))

So ~ 2 Chances a minute @ 8s each = 16s per minute or 27% of the time (everytime ;p)

So in this scenario with a 20% Crit and +1000 SPD you should get a 5.4% boost to the weight of SPD (20% Buff X 27% Chance) (in a perfect scenario) - could be slightly higher since you are actually getting a 20% increase to your Base SPD + Increased SPD.

I guess that would increase both Crit and SPD dynamically as just by having more Crit you increase the impact of SPD.

[Havenchild]

SS affects GCDs as well, so more Ruin spam.

Except with the devalue, of how much SS affects GCDs, at most were still talking maybe an extra cast over the course of a fight. Not something exactly worth mentioning.

[OneWingedSora]

I've been trying to re-learn a new, better opener and improve my gameplay in general. I went from a static that had DRG/NIN/BRD, and was easily pulling top DPS, in the realms of what I thought were pretty solid numbers.

Then I transitioned to a new static that has DRG/MNK/MCH and my number have dropped noticeably. What are some ~i200 numbers that I can aim for in A1S-A3S to know that I'm at least 90% effective.

Depending on how many jumps you see on A1S, the numbers will vary. w/ 3 jumps I was pulling 1050 in i195 as SMN and about 1120 after we started skipping third jump. On A2S, w/ i200 and your statics strat(very Summoner friendly), 1.9k-2k should be your goal.

Haven't done A3S as Summoner but judging from some of the parses posted here, I would say 1020-1050 should be good since you don't have a bard~

[Dervy]

How often do you Summoners Painflare?

[OneWingedSora]

How often do you Summoners Painflare?

Outside of the opener, never on ST.

[Sidra]

I don't understand how Spell Speed can be weighted higher when we know that Det is actually more potent on dots than SS is. Especially given how SS doesn't impact Fester, Painflare, or or Deathflare. With any extra casts given from Spell Speed going to 80 potency ruins, this just seems really odd to me.

[Sunako]

I think only things that are not affected by SS is fester 3x in minute(300 potency and 330 potency if dws) and deathflare 1x in minute (400 + 10% from stance = 440 potency).

[Sidra]

You say "only" as if it's not a lot. 1330 potency per minute that DET will somehow positively impact that Spell Speed will not is pretty huge. Add to that that Dervy showed earlier that Determination is more potent on dot damage than Spell Speed is - and the question becomes what is actually causing Spell Speed to pull ahead on weightings?