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  1. #951
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    Marach Galthena
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    How does bane actually work? Does it spread the DoTs with the same potency when they were applied? or Does the buff/debuff after applying the dots could still increase/decrease the potency of the spread DoTs during Bane?

    Example in A2S, if DoTs are casted while vulnerability is building up and i bane @ exactly 5 stacks, does my DoTs spread out to other mobs with 5 stacks of vulnerability?
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    Last edited by kenventa; 08-22-2015 at 12:07 PM.

  2. #952
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    Charybdis's Avatar
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    Charybdis Messina
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenventa View Post
    How does bane actually work? Does it spread the DoTs with the same potency when they were applied? or Does the buff/debuff after applying the dots could still increase/decrease the potency of the spread DoTs during Bane?

    Example in A2S, if DoTs are casted while vulnerability is building up and i bane @ exactly 5 stacks, does my DoTs spread out to other mobs with 5 stacks of vulnerability?
    DoTs spread (Bane) with YOUR buffs that were snapshot on their cast. So yes, YOUR buffs carry over from Bane. However if one target was vulnerability up and the other was not, it will not carry over the vulnerability buff. If target A had vulnerability up, you dot then Bane to target B which has resistance up, target B will take much less damage than target A.

    This isn't as concise as I'd like it to be but I hope it answers the question.
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  3. #953
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    Minorinz's Avatar
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    Yuni Azure
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    the dots get buffed from vuln up and will carry it with bane to whichever gets targeted. The 5 stacks multiplies the damage and it will get that snapshot'd. Question is do you want to wait until it gets to 5 stacks before dotting or re-dot after it gets 5 stacks.
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  4. #954
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    Philia Felice
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    Testing Miasma II for SS's effect. Stats:

    1037 INT
    481 DET
    619 SS (which is not chump change, that's about 250 SS over base)

    Damage range of the 20 potency initial hit: 152 - 168
    Damage range of the 10 potency DoT tick: 76 - 84

    In this case, SS has zero effect, which is surprising because even 30 points of DET will realistically alter your min/max. Unfortunately I don't have any sidegrade pieces I can test DET vs SS (all accessories, which would be easy to delete one in favor of a DET one or SS one, all of my SS ones have DET on them), so I can't really compare and contrast further I don't think.

    Edit: just to make sure M2's initial damage wasn't counting as a DoT, I did some B2 testing.

    Damage range of the 50 potency hit: 381 - 422, almost exactly 2.5X the initial hit of M2's hit (higher in fact by an extremely small amount, due to rounding no doubt)
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 08-24-2015 at 12:21 AM.

  5. #955
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    ecastle2's Avatar
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    Guinevere Thundersnow
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    snip
    A good way to just test the effect of spell speed on dots is to have your pet attack until you get the spell speed buff and then apply a dot. If you check your character page when you have that buff your spell speed does actually increase so you can isolate the effect of just spell speed very easily. Needless to say even after the 20% flat increase to spell speed the actual increase in dot damage is so small its less than the variation in the range of damage.
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  6. #956
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    Divine Gate
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    Exodus
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    Marauder Lv 60
    @ Sleigh

    Here is some testing I did with SPD

    Base Values - 416 DET and 470 SPD

    Bio
    219 - 242 - 470 SPD
    223 - 246 - 561 SPD

    Average 230 - 234 (1.74% increase)

    @ +89 SPD

    M2
    52 - 57 - 470 SPD
    53 - 58 - 561 SPD

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    Bio
    224 - 248 - 546 DET

    Average 230 - 234 = 1.8% (+130 DET)

    M2
    52-57 - 546 DET

    No Increase for M2?!?!
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    Does SPD actually increase Dots more point for point? What's the deal with M2?
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 08-24-2015 at 03:17 AM.

  7. #957
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    Philia Felice
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    Been hovering over a dummy for the last 5 minutes, putting up M2 when I get the SS buff. Range is 76 - 85 so far as I've seen in the 10ish times I've gotten SS up. 742 SS, a gain of 123.

    Interesting result, Judge Xero ... I'm not sure why mine are different other than my INT/WD are probably quite above your testing stats. You should cross-reference your M2's results against M2's initial damage, see what you come up with.
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 08-24-2015 at 03:24 AM.

  8. #958
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Do you have a 100 potency skill/ability?
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  9. #959
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    Guinevere Thundersnow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dervy View Post
    Do you have a 100 potency skill/ability?
    Fester with 1 dot applied is 100 potency.
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  10. #960
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    Avalen Koma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Fester with one dot up.

    EDIT: Slow phone is slow qq
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 08-24-2015 at 04:29 AM.

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