"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[LunaHoshino]

There is also a major reason not to kick someone just because they ask for it: if they get replaced by a troll that you genuinely need to kick you won't be able to do so if it's on cooldown from pity-kicking someone else.

People keep talking as if they votekick people from dungeons all the time. How often does that actually happen in reality? In my entire year of playing and running daily roulettes, I've had to kick a troll from a dungeon run all of maybe three times. It's rare that I use a votekick twice in a month, let alone twice in a single day.

I think the fact that people are saying "BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO USE A VOTEKICK IN THE NEXT FOUR HOURS" says way more about them than it does about someone making a polite request to be kicked.

[Raist]

People keep talking as if they votekick people from dungeons all the time. How often does that actually happen in reality? In my entire year of playing and running daily roulettes, I've had to kick a troll from a dungeon run all of maybe three times. It's rare that I use a votekick twice in a month, let alone twice in a single day.

I think the fact that people are saying "BUT WHAT IF I NEED TO USE A VOTEKICK IN THE NEXT FOUR HOURS" says way more about them than it does about someone making a polite request to be kicked.

See a lot of kicks go out because of lost connections....crappy internet in the US. You can almost feel it coming when you see other people stalling, red skittles of death, apologizing because they are lagging bad. It can and does happen in waves quite often--entire regions can loose stability for hours or even days on end (saw it happen a few weeks ago in fact when Atlanta went tit's up for almost 14 hours).

We always give them a while to come back, but more and more we see them not coming back in a reasonable time and they get vote-kicked. If you are queuing partially pre-mades repeatedly with friends, it is not unreasonable to be concerned that you may use up your "static" group's options before the 4 hour reset. It may not be an everyday occurrence kind of thing in general---but the possibility is there for it to happen enough to be a concern.

What might help is if SE can somehow implement conditionals for the odd-ball things. Someone disconnects and they get vote-kicked by party while still being disconnected after X number of minutes--that vote kick doesn't count against that players vote-kick cooldown. Someone is vote-kicked X number of times for negative behavior (AFK, harassment, etc.) than they get hit with a penalty (or it could be no conditions and even include due to disconnects).

Just need a little tweaking here and there to provide some disincentive against the bad behavior is all.

[RyuDragnier]

I do put in reports when players pull this nonsense in DF Dungeons but it's a bit different when it happens in PVP parties. The party is more likely to just vote them out (this usually happens if the GC they are affiliated with is losing).

Regardless of filing a report or not, these players are still being disruptive and not truly being penalized. Maybe a 30 minute penalty timer should be placed on players who get Vote Kicked; this might prevent the requested abuse of it.

As much as I hate how this could possibly be abused...I do believe that vote dismissing somebody SHOULD give them the penalty. It would stop a lot of this nonsense relatively quickly, and though while it'd open more problems, at least we wouldnt have to worry about people trying to get out of the penalty just because they don't like the place they're at.

[ckc22]

Do what I do and do nothing.
Once someone asks to be kicked, I just stop and /sit and wait for them to leave

Can't they just /sit and wait for you to votekick them/can't they just disconnect and wait to be kicked.

[ElHeggunte]

Can't they just /sit and wait for you to votekick them/can't they just disconnect and wait to be kicked.

And in the process further dig their own grave so you have even more to use against them when you call a GM? Sure.

Kicking someone when they ask you to is just like a parent giving in to their child when they throw a tantrum. It only teaches them that throwing a big enough fit gets their way and it starts to become a regular thing.

[Kolaina]

And in the process further dig their own grave so you have even more to use against them when you call a GM? Sure.

Kicking someone when they ask you to is just like a parent giving in to their child when they throw a tantrum. It only teaches them that throwing a big enough fit gets their way and it starts to become a regular thing.

or it teaches them resentment

[LunaHoshino]

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I would be all in favor of something like that, honestly. One of the two votekicks I've used in the past month or so was because someone DCed in the middle of a dungeon-- we waited for them for several minutes, but when they didn't come back, we ended up having to kick them. That's a legit reason for kicking someone that shouldn't cause anyone to incur a penalty, neither the people who did the kicking nor the person who got kicked.

Of course, there will be people who "DC" in a dungeon, but there's really no way to prevent that sort of thing without also penalizing people who really do have lousy internet.

[Kolaina]

i've come to realize in this whole thread ppl are so stuck in their beliefs they have become a wall. not one suggestion or alternative is allowed through. if this is the case of the ppl in this discussion, let us assume the same for these apparent offenders. we can not change them. we only have control over ourselves.
this whole comparison to children thing and how ppl plan on teaching them a lesson.. can we not teach them to be kind and understanding instead? this to me is a far more valuable lesson.
also how often does this request to be removed occur that it becomes a heated topic? how many times or how frequently has each individual actually encountered this? and could this in any way be a result of our own actions or behaviours if its something we run into more frequently then i myself believe to actually occur.

[Mykll]

red skittles of death

I will NEVER look at that symbol the same way again.

[Canadane]

If you leave yourself there is a 30 minute lockout.
If you force someone to kick you, there is a 4 hour lockout before they can kick someone again. If there's a legitimate need to kick someone in one of their later parties due to trolling or actual afking or being offline or something of that nature, that poor player may be out of luck since he just kicked you because you didn't wanna be there.

Take the lockout, think of the trolls that need kicking instead!