Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
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Did you seriously just compare PLD vs. WAR / DRK to BRD / MCH vs. dedicated DPS classes?

BRD and MCH bring unique and necessary support because that's what they are -- a support DPS class. If they reclassify PLD as a support tank role and gave PLD unique, irreplaceable and mandatory raid support at the cost of a marginal amount of individual DPS, that would be fine, too. That would be an actual trade-off rather than the current non-trade-off.

As for WARs being independent, anyone you ask will say the same thing. They are by far the most well rounded and complete tank. Are you really going to argue this point?

If PLDs are to push the type of DPS that people assume they're pushing, it's in Sword Oath. All tanks have the same effective healing returns in DPS stance.

Top progression groups made those changes because it was higher overall raid DPS with no meaningful losses. Healing was still a non-issue despite dropping PLDs, SCHs were playing exactly the same despite DRK MT, and because they were getting the int debuff from DRK, MNK was irrelevant compared to the additional DPS and utility NIN brings. That comp was strictly better in balance terms. In other words, there was a real imbalance. Results speak for themselves. I guess since those results and facts don't agree with you, we should ignore them.

If you're going to make the argument that balance doesn't matter at a lower level, then balance changes shouldn't effect you either. After all, your static can just adjust. It's curious that you still fight tooth and claw against the obvious issues PLD has.