PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Illya]

No, the correct answer is absolutely a nerf. We're currently in a situation where the Tanking classes are busting over the "Support DPS" and nipping on the heels of the actual DPS. Buffing PLD damage is just playing with fire.

Uh, no. So far Alex Savage is being designed with hard DPS checks as the primary method of gating, a change from Bahamut's Coils where mechanics often were. Tanks need to be out there DPSing hard now to meet these checks. The content is intended to be cleared with tanks DPSing and their DPS in expac has been boosted relative to in ARR specifically for this.

If "support DPS" aren't able to out-DPS tanks in progression content then they seriously need to git gud. I know a BRD who outputs 1.2k on Faust, find me a tank who can output 1.2k on Faust and we'll talk. Otherwise your argument is completely invalid.

[Geaux]

If anything , they need to rework the crit,parry,block system and make parry (a stat you actually have control of) proc before block and crit. Basically every attack you take is first checked by parry , if you don't parry it you may block it , and if you do neither it may be a crit hit on you. It should also work exactly like critical hit chance was adjusted to do as well. The more parry you stack , the higher the rate you parry and the higher the percentage per parry.

Imagine if even before thinking about blocking (cause it should be 2nd behind parry and not behind crit hit on the proc list ) , your character basically had a 40% chance to parry and that parry was 30-40% mitigation. Parry then becomes extremely viable and dps stats are brushed to the side.


And lastly , I don't think tanks should be able to parry magic but I feel Pld should have a chance to block it for around 15% mitigation.

The sooner they fix parry , the sooner tanks will stop worrying about dps #s

[Ditto]

And lastly , I don't think tanks should be able to parry magic but I feel Pld should have a chance to block it for around 15% mitigation.

Sure, but as long as Drk's can equip shields and block physical.

I'll take a Bulwark with that too.

[Icepick823]

Uh, no. So far Alex Savage is being designed with hard DPS checks as the primary method of gating, a change from Bahamut's Coils where mechanics often were. Tanks need to be out there DPSing hard now to meet these checks. The content is intended to be cleared with tanks DPSing and their DPS in expac has been boosted relative to in ARR specifically for this.

If "support DPS" aren't able to out-DPS tanks in progression content then they seriously need to git gud. I know a BRD who outputs 1.2k on Faust, find me a tank who can output 1.2k on Faust and we'll talk. Otherwise your argument is completely invalid.

Uh, no. Tank dps is only needed when trying to push content with a lower ilvl than intended. Once the real dps jobs get their i200 weapons in a few days, the need for tank damage clear clear dps checks will go away.

While I do try to maximize my dps as a pld, I don't see the need for more buffs than we already got.

[Sir-Meliodas]

Yes we do need more dps, a simple solution would be to add a 25% of damage self heal and a 10% damage increase buff that lasts 20 sec to Royal Authority, problem solved.
Also, to Goring blade an mp refresh to each tick of the dot would be good. These changes are necessary because both Dark Knight and Warrior have some extra effect on each of their three combos
while Paladin only has one combo with an effect the rage of halone combo, where you get enmity and strength down.

[Faytte]

Tank dps is always a good thing. It shortens fights which reduces how much time strain you put into your healers.

Now in 2.0 you did not have so many dps checks. Soft enrages happened but we're largely rare, which coupled with heavy physical damage made this an ok view in 2.0

3.0 just isn't the same. Most fights have a food amount of Magic and no physical busters. Most have enraged to build around. It's a different paradigm and your classic paladin fits poorly into it.

[MaiyaBeaumont]

Tank dps is always a good thing. It shortens fights which reduces how much time strain you put into your healers.

Now in 2.0 you did not have so many dps checks. Soft enrages happened but we're largely rare, which coupled with heavy physical damage made this an ok view in 2.0

3.0 just isn't the same. Most fights have a food amount of Magic and no physical busters. Most have enraged to build around. It's a different paradigm and your classic paladin fits poorly into it.

Um, no. Tanks are meant to take massive amount of dmg and LIVE. I have NO clue why or where this new "STR based tank" crap is coming from. Every time I have been in a party with these str based tanks, guess what happens. THEY DIE. I wish this craze or fad or w/e it is would go away. Want to do dmg, then role as a DPS....

[Nova_Leon]

Now don't get me wrong, Pally should have lowest dps and maybe the worst aoes, but the aoes right now are garbage tier in comparison to DRK. The Dark has 3 damaging aoes if you don't even count dark passenger. The pally has 1. This is wrong. We need some kind of dps buff and it needs to be on our aoe.

[Donjo]

If "support DPS" aren't able to out-DPS tanks in progression content then they seriously need to git gud. I know a BRD who outputs 1.2k on Faust, find me a tank who can output 1.2k on Faust and we'll talk. Otherwise your argument is completely invalid.

Faust is a terrible indicator of single target DPS because nearly every DPS class(this includes Bards) is going to use an AOE ability at some point in their rotation. They could even be doing it on purpose to pad their numbers. A more correct metric would be the first 90 seconds of the Savage Oppressor fight or an actual Target Dummy.

[Kaith]

Uh, no. So far Alex Savage is being designed with hard DPS checks as the primary method of gating, a change from Bahamut's Coils where mechanics often were. Tanks need to be out there DPSing hard now to meet these checks. The content is intended to be cleared with tanks DPSing and their DPS in expac has been boosted relative to in ARR specifically for this.

If "support DPS" aren't able to out-DPS tanks in progression content then they seriously need to git gud. I know a BRD who outputs 1.2k on Faust, find me a tank who can output 1.2k on Faust and we'll talk. Otherwise your argument is completely invalid.

This. I would say the only exception is A2S where WARs may viably out DPS some actual DPS.

Faust is a terrible indicator of single target DPS because every DPS class is going to use an AOE ability at some point in their rotation. They could even be doing it on purpose to pad their numbers. A more correct metric would be the first 90 seconds of the Savage Oppressor fight or an actual Target Dummy.

People should be filtering out the adds on their Faust parse. Anyone citing a parse that includes the damage on adds is going to instantly lose credibility. I know that just targetting Faust my BRD does about 1125-1175 DPS so his numbers are accurate (My BRD will be slighly behind most as all my NQ Alex drops went to my PLD)

Ill just leave this here.

http://puu.sh/jl9mt/19e9a0ea40.png
ilvl186 with Ravana Axe. No party buff, food or pots

http://puu.sh/jlet3/6eff2967e7.png
Same thing with Pld obviously missing the slashing debuff and i had to use enliven to even get a decent time.

What gear on the PLD? Main reason I ask is because I just went and wailed on a dummy on my PLD using i200 weapon, 4 melded accs + 1 STR acc and I came out at 836 DPS at the point I ran TP dead (like 2 mins 40). That was with some food still on too.