PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[SirTaint]

DRK potencies are naturally very low without Darkside and Dark Arts to boost them. Bloodweapon, unlike FoF, does nothing for oGCDs. Your proposed buffs would make PLDs already naturally high potency abilities hands down better DPS than both DRK & WAR. In addition to taking less overall damage, carrying a ton of support abilities, and the groundbreaking Hallowed skill.

Wat....

And the problem is ShOs penalty and the lack of a way to circumvent it.

WAR can negate the penalty via IB/Unchained and gets back to 95% via Maim. If you are in deliverance you still get the increased damage from Maim plus all the other goodies.
DRK can negate with darkside (-20 +15) and then stack DA,Blood weapon, along with most potent core rotation. DRK also have 4 oGCDs to weave.

[Disc]

Without dark arts/Darkside
Hard Slash – 150
Spinning Slash – 220
Syphon Strike – 250
Power Slash – 300
Delirium – 280
Souleater - 260

Combos
Hard+Spin+Power = 670
Hard+Syphon+Delirium = 680
Hard+Syphon+souleater=660

PLD Combos
Fast+Savage+Halone = 610
Fast+Savage+Royal Authority = 690
Fast+Riot+Goring = 600((840 actual)+600/minute from DoT)

DRK oGCD
Carve & Spit – 100/minute
Scourge – 500(1000/minute)
Salted Earth – 525(700/minute)
Plunge – 200(400/minute)
Low Blow – 100(200+/minute)
Total DRK oGCD: 2400/minute+- low blow

PLD oGCD
Spirits Within – 600/minute
Circle of Scorn = 250/minute
Sword Oath – 50/auto(1442/minute)
Total PLD oGCD: 900(2342 counting bonus from autos)

Darkside/Dark Arts make up for lower natural potency & lack of Fight or Flight. PLD is trailing behind in the end after counting all buffs, but the difference is not nearly as significant as you would have people believe.

Are you...absolutely crazy?

Dark have the highest core potencies out of all tanks. Have you looked at the potencies of other tanks?

Honestly? I do not even know how to take this post seriously after reading this. Scourge vs Fracture? Any of your combos vs ANY combos of other classes?

Royal Authority? 690 total potency.
Delirium--which includes mana restore and a debuff? 680. You are '10' potency behind a combo which includes an attack that does -nothing- but damage. Considering most DRK are also doing a DA+ Soul Eater once every 3 or so combos.

Yeah your potencies being low....lol.

Delirium does not restore MP, Syphon does. It also results in lower overall DPS than Royal Authority/Goring Blade combos, which is what you are complaining about.

Wat....

And the problem is ShOs penalty and the lack of a way to circumvent it.

WAR can negate the penalty via IB/Unchained and gets back to 95% via Maim. If you are in deliverance you still get the increased damage from Maim plus all the other goodies.
DRK can negate with darkside (-20 +15) and then stack DA,Blood weapon, along with most potent core rotation. DRK also have 4 oGCDs to weave.

Grit is a 23% DPS loss from what a DRK would be doing without it. You don't pretend Darkside is limited to Grit stance to fluff numbers. (.8*1.15 = .92) to (1.15 - .92 = .23)

[Seku]

Why?

Darkside and Maim are perma buffs. If anything PLD should have an equivalent, like every shield block gives us a 5 seconds 15% damage increase.

DRK has Darkside,Darkarts and Blood Weapon (not to meantion a 500pot single GCD and magic to help with TP regen)
WAR has Deliverance,Maim,Berserk,Inner release and Equilibrium (they can also stance dance on the fly for increased security or DPS)
PLD has FoF and Sword Oath

Effectively make bulwark a defensive and offensive cool down on any physical fight~ and force it with shieldtron.

[KircheAhaltZerbst]

If you got the changes your crying about everyone would run double paladins and a ninjas for the slashing debuff.

[Donjo]

Paladin doesn't need a buff to DPS. Paladin's doing pretty okay. The other two tanks need to get nerfed instead.

[SirTaint]

Paladin doesn't need a buff to DPS. Paladin's doing pretty okay. The other two tanks need to get nerfed instead.

Nerfs are never the best way to handle an adjustment.

PLD just has lackluster tank stance damage. It needs a ShO bump, not even a big one but being 100-150 dps behind DRKs and WARs is not acceptable.

If blocking an attack in ShO gave us a temporary attack boost we would be on even ground. Make it ShO only since SwO is fine. Make it a component of shield swipe if they have to. Something that lets us boost DPS while in our tank stance to be closer to WAR and PLD.

[Donjo]

Nerfs are never the best way to handle an adjustment.

PLD just has lackluster tank stance damage. It needs a ShO bump, not even a big one but being 100-150 dps behind DRKs and WARs is not acceptable.

If blocking an attack in ShO gave us a temporary attack boost we would be on even ground. Make it ShO only since SwO is fine. Make it a component of shield swipe if they have to. Something that lets us boost DPS while in our tank stance to be closer to WAR and PLD.

No, the correct answer is absolutely a nerf. We're currently in a situation where the Tanking classes are busting over the "Support DPS" and nipping on the heels of the actual DPS. Buffing PLD damage is just playing with fire.

[Illya]

No, the correct answer is absolutely a nerf. We're currently in a situation where the Tanking classes are busting over the "Support DPS" and nipping on the heels of the actual DPS. Buffing PLD damage is just playing with fire.

Uh, no. So far Alex Savage is being designed with hard DPS checks as the primary method of gating, a change from Bahamut's Coils where mechanics often were. Tanks need to be out there DPSing hard now to meet these checks. The content is intended to be cleared with tanks DPSing and their DPS in expac has been boosted relative to in ARR specifically for this.

If "support DPS" aren't able to out-DPS tanks in progression content then they seriously need to git gud. I know a BRD who outputs 1.2k on Faust, find me a tank who can output 1.2k on Faust and we'll talk. Otherwise your argument is completely invalid.

[Icepick823]

Uh, no. So far Alex Savage is being designed with hard DPS checks as the primary method of gating, a change from Bahamut's Coils where mechanics often were. Tanks need to be out there DPSing hard now to meet these checks. The content is intended to be cleared with tanks DPSing and their DPS in expac has been boosted relative to in ARR specifically for this.

If "support DPS" aren't able to out-DPS tanks in progression content then they seriously need to git gud. I know a BRD who outputs 1.2k on Faust, find me a tank who can output 1.2k on Faust and we'll talk. Otherwise your argument is completely invalid.

Uh, no. Tank dps is only needed when trying to push content with a lower ilvl than intended. Once the real dps jobs get their i200 weapons in a few days, the need for tank damage clear clear dps checks will go away.

While I do try to maximize my dps as a pld, I don't see the need for more buffs than we already got.

[Donjo]

If "support DPS" aren't able to out-DPS tanks in progression content then they seriously need to git gud. I know a BRD who outputs 1.2k on Faust, find me a tank who can output 1.2k on Faust and we'll talk. Otherwise your argument is completely invalid.

Faust is a terrible indicator of single target DPS because nearly every DPS class(this includes Bards) is going to use an AOE ability at some point in their rotation. They could even be doing it on purpose to pad their numbers. A more correct metric would be the first 90 seconds of the Savage Oppressor fight or an actual Target Dummy.