PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Kaith]

I wouldn't include PLD in that conversation. Sword Oath and not worrying about enmity I get 830-840 DPS on a dummy. In Shield Oath it's like 590 DPS. That's also using the i200 weapon which other jobs don't have access to yet and using melded accessories.

WARs are on the heels of DPS though, which is also why PLD DPS looks so bad. DRKs are somewhere in between the two.

The other problem which makes PLD seem bad right now is that it's the lowest tank DPS whilst the current endgame content has mainly magical tank busters. So it may have better mitigation on paper to make up for the lower damage but it isn't getting to utilize it in the current endgame environment.

[Adventica6]

shield oath grants nothing for dmg, while drk can use grit and darkside, and warrior is warrior, that's the problem. All the other tanks get to do dmg but not you, the balancing is really bad in this game.

[Tyrial]

shield oath grants nothing for dmg, while drk can use grit and darkside, and warrior is warrior, that's the problem. All the other tanks get to do dmg but not you, the balancing is really bad in this game.

PLD can do plenty of damage, you just need to know when it's safe to swap to Sword Oath and be able to properly rotate your CDs so that you're not turning into an MP sponge.

[Faytte]

PLD can do plenty of damage, you just need to know when it's safe to swap to Sword Oath and be able to properly rotate your CDs so that you're not turning into an MP sponge.

By plenty, you mean the least out of all three tanks while outside of their defensive stance, and loads less while in their defensive stance? Costs a gcd to swap into either stance, takes a fifth of your mana (problematic in AS2 where you actually want mana for things like flash) and once in it--yeah its not terribly impressive. It's ---better--- certainly, but to say they do plenty of damage begs the question of some data and what you consider loads. If they actually mitigated most of the Alexander content better than other tanks (they dont) I'd feel more comfortable with them, or if their enmity allowed for offensive tanking (I tank 80% of Faust for instance in deliverance and can alternate debuffs, not -needing- to use my aggro combo very often at all. On my equal ilvl paladin? You better believe im spamming rage of halone--which kind of makes Royal Authority a tad useless.

[Zdenka]

Since people are talking about PLD DPS here :O

We just beat Alex 3 savage today, we used MNK/PLD instead of DRG/DRK like the other clear groups were running.

My PLD DPS at the end of the fight was 650.33, next week the DPS I have to do will go down since everyone will have weapons.

PLD isn't too far behind DRK at all, its just that DRG buffs BRD so you have a large net gain swapping those roles around. PLD needs to get piercing debuff added to RA is the correct buff to the class!

[Faytte]

Since people are talking about PLD DPS here :O

We just beat Alex 3 savage today, we used MNK/PLD instead of DRG/DRK like the other clear groups were running.

My PLD DPS at the end of the fight was 650.33, next week the DPS I have to do will go down since everyone will have weapons.

PLD isn't too far behind DRK at all, its just that DRG buffs BRD so you have a large net gain swapping those roles around. PLD needs to get piercing debuff added to RA is the correct buff to the class!

Would love to see an actual meter to this. No offense, lots of people claim numbers but without seeing a meter--its all just air.

[Zdenka]

Would love to see an actual meter to this. No offense, lots of people claim numbers but without seeing a meter--its all just air.

I blanked out all other people in the kill and just left in just PLD, can see on the left the ACT parse has a different color for this attempt indicating a kill. errrr well it would be if i didnt have it selected

http://imgur.com/u6kyopY

[Faytte]

I blanked out all other people in the kill and just left in just PLD, can see on the left the ACT parse has a different color for this attempt indicating a kill. errrr well it would be if i didnt have it selected

http://imgur.com/u6kyopY

Well you delivered! Your damage taken looks pretty low--were you the OT for most of the fight (for when there is such a thing as OT/MT--I know a lot of it is duo tanking, but not all of it).

EDIT: Looks like the war is above you. Can you unblock out that line, minus their name. Curious to look at the difference. Although--to repeat it, rarely do I see anyone call out and then get delivered facts. I'm humbled ^_^

[Zdenka]

Well you delivered! Your damage taken looks pretty low--were you the OT for most of the fight (for when there is such a thing as OT/MT--I know a lot of it is duo tanking, but not all of it).

EDIT: Looks like the war is above you. Can you unblock out that line, minus their name. Curious to look at the difference.

I was MT entire first phase, and then like normal(most people?) I was MT for 3 of 6 Cascade sections. Right now I just wanted to post this to let people know what PLD can do, if I had been OT at the start of the fight I'd be over 700 DPS on the fight most likely. I also stop DPSing the adds to make sure I have 1000 TP entering Cascade sections, since PLD TP is terribad. So I lost a little DPS from that also.

[Zdenka]

I only have DRK and PLD at 60 but from what I can tell right now,

PLD feels more comfortable to play, that's why I use it instead of DRK. Yes maybe I can do more damage on DRK, but I tunnel hard on DRK since I'm not used to it.

PLD's main drawbacks are right now, is that it's new combo's are great but don't add threat so you either need a Ninja or a ton of STR gear, or both. If you try to hold threat in Sword Oath now, you basically just have to spam Halone combo for the bonus threats and give up on that extra DPS. Depends how good your DPS/OT are and how much your healer has to heal, so it could vary. Basically PLD does less threat (comparatively) than it does in 2.0.

The other things are:

With high DPS checks, stoneskin and clemency are basically useless, you probably lose 3-4 encounter DPS for every cast. Divine Veil is good, its really good actually, if it wasn't on a 3 minute CD.

Shelltron :X yeahhhhh good and bad at same time