Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[OneWingedSora]

Whoa whoa whoa, no need to get offensive here, he's not in that group.

I think once the dust settles and more and more groups clear, we'll get to see some numbers. Possibly stilted because BLM does do better in add phase (which is on a timer, but is also a DPS check in our gear so it is relevant presently), but we'll see then.

How was I getting offensive lol. My post wasn't aimed towards Aikaal.

[Sleigh]

How was I getting offensive lol. My post wasn't aimed towards Aikaal.

Oh I read that as "your," whoops. Will edit.

[OneWingedSora]

Also, saying to a group of elite players they are bad when they claimed 2 World First is a really bad argument I feel.

Banging your head against the wall for 18 hours a day doesn't really mean much to me. Not to mention I never really said they are bad, I just said maybe their main group's caster doesn't/cant really maximize SMN to it's full potential. Don't put words into my mouth.

[Minorinz]

You can clear A2S with a BLM but it is a lot easier with..

Not really the difference between T12 and A2S vuln is that you are pushing bennu phases and screwing the whole fight over. Yeah it needed a fix. In A2S, EVERYONE is getting their dps increased and not just smn. Everything dies fast with the vuln anyway. Dots and bane wouldn't be 100% of your 2.1k damage. If someone can parse 2.1k and post their ACT parse you'll see where most their damage comes from and it'll be clear. If all the enemies in S2A had the vuln debuff i would agree here but you are truly exaggerating. An aoe job will excel at this turn and no it's not broken. It has a good advantage against single targeting jobs and that is now including blms, just like how smns got over blms being stronger at single target in some fights.

[OneWingedSora]

I will get the SA2 ACT parse tomorrow probably if you wanna see the details.

[AzucenaC]

Have we figured out a good ACC number to aim for? I'm assuming it is up something slightly larger than the ACC BLM needed for T13, but I haven't found any concrete numbers yet.

Cheers.

[Aikaal]

Banging your head against the wall for 18 hours a day doesn't really mean much to me. Not to mention I never really said they are bad, I just said maybe their main group's caster doesn't/cant really maximize SMN to it's full potential. Don't put words into my mouth.

Unfortunately raiding those hours is how you get world first. A3S was gear gated and they got it down to 0.5%. The way you are phrasing this is their world first caster is bad because he couldn't do it as SMN and you are simply better summoner than him. You don't even know the guy. This is team over individual plays. They went as far a race changing to get more stats. They tried everything and their final comp had a BLM.

We can say the same for A2S except the DPS check is not that crazy. Summoner is superior by every aspect but you can clear with a BLM. It's just easier with SMN for A2S and I'm pretty sure it's with this concept they went BLM for this turn. I went Summoner for this turn only because my team requested it. There is no me, myself and I. I changed for the team.

I'd rather not attack you personally but it does feel like you think you are better than this anyone in Elysium.

When you say things like :

I've also seen some of their SMN parses and none of them were impressive.

This is kinda a sign of arrogance. Personal performances is only one aspect of the player. It's clear to me that BLM provides better for that fight. It's not only about the caster but the whole group.

[OneWingedSora]

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You are putting words into my mouth again. I never said their caster is bad, I just said maybe he's a better BLM than he is a SMN. That doesn't mean he is bad, not everyone can play multiple jobs perfectly, that is fine.

I guess you will change your mind once I clear this on SMN and provide parses.

[Sleigh]

Well, world first A3 was almost done with PLD/MCH instead of DRK/BRD, missed by a few % last lockout. If they had won first, perhaps that would be the comp we as a community thinks is the best over DRK/BRD, when in reality both are probably equally able to clear at this iLVL. Honestly Luc or another top end group might clear today with a SMN and blow our minds there as well. Let's reserve judging until we see all the comps that clear this lockout, rather than who cleared very first, IMO.

If literally every group that clears this lockout rolls BLM, then yeah it will be hard to argue against that at this gear level, BLM leads to the most successful kill, either through their burst, their sustained DPS, and/or their Apoc/Manaward (both useful AF on this fight). On the flipside we might see a group who clears with higher caster DPS and a quicker clear time with SMN and then we won't know what to think then if that happens.

[Havenchild]

A1S

I think I did ok, but I can go higher I think, lost a deathflare towards the end. ilvl184.