Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Aikaal]

Assuming A4S will require you to destroy both legs(which I am betting it will), Summoner will probably still outshine BLM there.

You are aware in A4 NM after you break a leg the other leg full heals. There's no point multi dotting. But we don't know what A4S new mechanics are. It wouldn't surprised me if there was 4 legs that you have to kill 1 by 1 to put another insane DPS check.

See, the thing is, BLM's ST isn't "way better" than SMN. It's just slightly better and that's taking into consideration they are both standing still doing no mechanics.

The point you are wrong is that Alexander barely has movement and it's pretty easy to compensate as a BLM. BLM also have an edge when it comes to a fight that have adds that don't have a lot of HP like A3 and A4. Then again, we can't talk on the subject since we haven't seen the fight. As far as I saw, both casters are viable in Alexander Savage.

It's not really broken, also the vul buff isn't always applied on every target you dot 24/7. Smn's concept on aoe rotation is just very simple and doesn't require much brains to execute. I find single target dps a real pain because of all the aoe cds (+ the stacks) we get and right now blm seems to shine on single target more than smn so i find it even. A4 is gonna real fun..

You can clear A2S with a BLM but it is a lot easier with a SMN. Saying it's not really broken means you haven't seen that 2.1k DPS SMN clear. BLM will never have the slight hope to reach that number and it is definitely broken to pull those kind of numbers. Do you remember T12 when blackfires were getting Vuln Up what Summoners were doing? DoT the black fire and bane to destroy the fight. 5 Vuln Up in A2S is about 50% more damage. 50% more damage on 7 targets with Bane is definitely broken.

[OneWingedSora]

You are aware in A4 NM after you break a leg the other leg full heals. There's no point multi dotting. But we don't know what A4S new mechanics are. It wouldn't surprised me if there was 4 legs that you have to kill 1 by 1 to put another insane DPS check.

Indeed. But I wouldn't be surprised if A4S requires you to down both legs in order to switch phase, then have them both heal again. It's just an assumption but if it turns out to be that way, Summoner will have the edge

The point you are wrong is that Alexander barely has movement and it's pretty easy to compensate as a BLM. BLM also have an edge when it comes to a fight that have adds that don't have a lot of HP like A3 and A4. Then again, we can't talk on the subject since we haven't seen the fight. As far as I saw, both casters are viable in Alexander Savage.

Both casters ARE viable, I never denied that. But Summoner has the edge so far. A1S for multidotting, A2S is pretty self explanatory and A3S while its the most balanced one out of them, I still think Summoners will at worse be on par with BLMs there. A3S adds can also be baned off the water tornado much like T10 if you refreshed dots before phase change as well as potentially getting painflare/deathflare on 2/3 targets, giving Summoner the edge on that phase.

[Aikaal]

Both casters ARE viable, I never denied that. But Summoner has the edge so far. A1S for multidotting, A2S is pretty self explanatory and A3S while its the most balanced one out of them, I still think Summoners will at worse be on par with BLMs there. A3S adds can also be baned off the water tornado much like T10 if you refreshed dots before phase change as well as potentially getting painflare/deathflare on 2/3 targets, giving Summoner the edge on that phase.

Too bad World first cleared it with DRK, WAR, SCH, WHM, NIN, DRG, BRD, BLM. They went for the highest DPS comp. Even if you bane the adds. Your DoTs won't apply fully. They just die too fast. BLM seems to have the edge in A3S and it won't surprise me if BLM have the edge on A4S because there is adds. You'll most-likely have to focus legs 1 by 1 and since there's not much movement BLM just feels better. BLM is also a better choice when you get dragged to kill that add with a tank because your DoTs won't apply fully again.

[OneWingedSora]

Too bad World first cleared it with DRK, WAR, SCH, WHM, NIN, DRG, BRD, BLM. They went for the highest DPS comp. Even if you bane the adds. Your DoTs won't apply fully. They just die too fast. BLM seems to have the edge in A3S and it won't surprise me if BLM have the edge on A4S because there is adds. You'll most-likely have to focus legs 1 by 1 and since there's not much movement BLM just feels better. BLM is also a better choice when you get dragged to kill that add with a tank because your DoTs won't apply fully again.

Well, maybe because they just don't have any good Summoners or their caster cant play both jobs ? I've already tested both on A3S and Summoner was at worse, on par with BLM.

And no, the adds don't die "too fast" you will still get atleast 3 ticks per add, and you ignored the part about deathflaring/painflaring them. And Sleigh brought up some good points as well about final phase as well as having to LB which takes a huge dip on BLM's DPS.

So far, most people that say BLM has the edge over SMN on A3S either can't really fully maximize SMN's potential or haven't seen the entirety of the fight. Or both.

[Aikaal]

Well, maybe because they just don't have any good Summoners or their caster cant play both jobs ?

You are talking to a gorup that race changed to BiS main stats because they were at 0.5% before the maintenance. They've tried with SMN, don't worry.

Also, saying to a group of elite players they are bad when they claimed 2 World First is a really bad argument I feel.

[OneWingedSora]

You are talking to a gorup that race changed to BiS main stats because they were at 0.5% before the maintenance. They've tried with SMN, don't worry.

I've also seen some of their SMN parses and none of them were impressive.

[Sleigh]

I think once the dust settles and more and more groups clear, we'll get to see some numbers. Possibly stilted because BLM does do better in add phase (which is on a timer, but is also a DPS check in our gear so it is relevant presently), but we'll see then.

[OneWingedSora]

Also, saying to a group of elite players they are bad when they claimed 2 World First is a really bad argument I feel.

Banging your head against the wall for 18 hours a day doesn't really mean much to me. Not to mention I never really said they are bad, I just said maybe their main group's caster doesn't/cant really maximize SMN to it's full potential. Don't put words into my mouth.

[Aikaal]

Banging your head against the wall for 18 hours a day doesn't really mean much to me. Not to mention I never really said they are bad, I just said maybe their main group's caster doesn't/cant really maximize SMN to it's full potential. Don't put words into my mouth.

Unfortunately raiding those hours is how you get world first. A3S was gear gated and they got it down to 0.5%. The way you are phrasing this is their world first caster is bad because he couldn't do it as SMN and you are simply better summoner than him. You don't even know the guy. This is team over individual plays. They went as far a race changing to get more stats. They tried everything and their final comp had a BLM.

We can say the same for A2S except the DPS check is not that crazy. Summoner is superior by every aspect but you can clear with a BLM. It's just easier with SMN for A2S and I'm pretty sure it's with this concept they went BLM for this turn. I went Summoner for this turn only because my team requested it. There is no me, myself and I. I changed for the team.

I'd rather not attack you personally but it does feel like you think you are better than this anyone in Elysium.

When you say things like :

I've also seen some of their SMN parses and none of them were impressive.

This is kinda a sign of arrogance. Personal performances is only one aspect of the player. It's clear to me that BLM provides better for that fight. It's not only about the caster but the whole group.

[Minorinz]

You can clear A2S with a BLM but it is a lot easier with..

Not really the difference between T12 and A2S vuln is that you are pushing bennu phases and screwing the whole fight over. Yeah it needed a fix. In A2S, EVERYONE is getting their dps increased and not just smn. Everything dies fast with the vuln anyway. Dots and bane wouldn't be 100% of your 2.1k damage. If someone can parse 2.1k and post their ACT parse you'll see where most their damage comes from and it'll be clear. If all the enemies in S2A had the vuln debuff i would agree here but you are truly exaggerating. An aoe job will excel at this turn and no it's not broken. It has a good advantage against single targeting jobs and that is now including blms, just like how smns got over blms being stronger at single target in some fights.