Unjust Kicking from Alexander T4

[Krylo]

Might be worth noting that NA (where SDaemon's data center is) and Japan (Where Kaedan's is) have very different uses of DF and PF.

On Aether and, as far as I know, the other NA data centers, it's considered polite/normal to go into DF a few times on content to learn it before starting a PF party. The idea being that a random DF group isn't going to be able to clear hard content anyway so you DF it expecting to fail just to kind of get your sea legs, then a proper learning/clear party.

On Elemental and, as far as I know, the other JP data centers, it's considered polite/normal to make learning parties and learn the entire fight as best as you can before DFing it, with the idea that if everyone knows the fight from party finder, you can DF to win, and you don't inconvenience strangers with your incompetence.

Doing blind learning PFs on things that have dropped into DF on Aether is considered rude, and it's 'common courtesy' to at least know the fight mechanics before joining a PF group.

It's different data center cultures. No reason to fight each other over it.

[Nekodar]

Doing blind learning PFs on things that have dropped into DF on Aether is considered rude, and it's 'common courtesy' to at least know the fight mechanics before joining a PF group.

Being on Aether I don't know where you got this idea that doing learning PF is considered rude... learning is learning after all.
Learning party - for learning, no expectations
Practice party - for practicing, you're expected to have learned already
Clear party - for clearing, you have enough practice but have had bad luck with others in learning and practice parties...
Farm party - does it need any explanation?

[Krylo]

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Well, when learning t9, for instance, the idea was you'd DF it to learn first phase + golems. Could get to heavensfall in a DF group after a couple tries usually, but you weren't going to expect anyone to put in the time or organization to get fire in/fire out learned well enough to even see dive bombs. Once you had the first two phases figured out for yourself, mostly, you'd make a learning party to learn the last phase. If you didn't know the first two you could easily be kicked out of learning parties who weren't interested in wiping to comets and golems a bunch AGAIN.

I'd imagine it'll be the same for BisEx when it drops to DF, eventually. With learning parties wanting to learn the weather patterns, not deal with people who can't DPS through the adds. Although by the time BisEx hits DF people might be geared enough that the DPS checks are of no real consequence, at which point it'll be easy enough to just beat in DF.

For most content learning anything in DF isn't necessary, though.