Unjust Kicking from Alexander T4

[Spawnie]

So, I just qued up for the fourth turn of Alexander, ("The Burden of the Father"), for my first time. I told the group that it was such as soon as we were in, and asked again before the fight started what I needed to know.
/endrant

similar happened with me in turn 3 last week.. queued when could said was my first time.. no1 even told me tactics for boss after 1st wipe few of them screamed for me to be kicked... the dragoon in party said why its his first time?? still got kicked lol thats why i avoid raiding cause the elitism in games just pisses me off :P

[Kaedan]

To be frank, you shouldn't run difficult content for the first time using Duty Finder if you don't research the fight first. If you want to "learn while doing", you should start or join a Party Finder group that is specifically for that purpose.

If you're going to run it using DF, you should at least research the fight first.

Dungeons are generally easy enough that the rule doesn't really apply to them.

[Spawnie]

To be frank, you shouldn't run difficult content for the first time using Duty Finder if you don't research the fight first. If you want to "learn while doing", you should start or join a Party Finder group that is specifically for that purpose.

If you're going to run it using DF, you should at least research the fight first.

Dungeons are generally easy enough that the rule doesn't really apply to them.

DF isnt designed to be pro parties if want the perfect party then those ppl should preform when i tried floor 3 there wasnt even any videos available sooooo

[Assirra]

DF isnt designed to be pro parties if want the perfect party then those ppl should preform when i tried floor 3 there wasnt even any videos available sooooo

Sorry but who are you to say what it is designed for?
It is just a tool and people use it the way they want.

[Spawnie]

Sorry but who are you to say what it is designed for?
It is just a tool and people use it the way they want.

obviously it was designed that way lmao

[Assirra]

who are you to more or less tell 1st timers to use party finder??

I never said such thing.
You apparently know what DF is designed for.
I said that DF is just a tool and the community in general decides how to use it.

[Kaedan]

DF isnt designed to be pro parties if want the perfect party then those ppl should preform when i tried floor 3 there wasnt even any videos available sooooo

Firstly, stop with the strawman/hyperbole. Second, that's fine for the first few days that content is available, because everyone is still learning. I went in blind too.

But the content has been out for almost 2 weeks now and there are plenty of videos available. So if you are doing it for the first time at this point, you should either A) research it or B) use the Party Finder to make a learning party.

[Jynx]

you should either A) research it or B) use the Party Finder to make a learning party.

If you want a clear party you should.

B) Use the party finder to find experience party members instead of expecting random people to know.

See look I can tell you how to play the game too!

Duty finder should have 0 expectations of anything.

Pro players shouldn't expect the random people they are grouped with to know a damn thing about the fight.
New players shouldn't expect the random people they are grouped with to care about teaching them mechanics or putting up with a new player.

You use the duty finder to be grouped up with 3-7 totally random strangers and expecting anything from anyone is unreasonable, anyone from new to pro is allowed to presss that button and nowhere does it state experience is required to do so.If you want to set your own rules regardless of new or old content make it with friends or the party finder. I said it at the start of the thread and I'll say it again.

...I hate the duty finder.

[SDaemon]

To be frank, you shouldn't run difficult content for the first time using Duty Finder if you don't research the fight first. If you want to "learn while doing", you should start or join a Party Finder group that is specifically for that purpose.

To be frank, expecting players to research fights before joining through Duty Finder is setting yourself up for disappointment. If you want to establish and set your own standards for the group, that is what Party Finder is for.

[Kaedan]

If you want to establish and set your own standards for the group, that is what Party Finder is for.

This exact same statement (by you) can be used towards those wanting to "learn by doing" and refuse to research.

In fact, the Party Finder has a specific setting called "Learning party", so that implies that those unwilling to research should be the ones using the Party Finder.


It's common courtesy and good manners to at least know what the fight mechanics are before using DF. No one is suggesting you have to be "Pro" or anything like that. Just cursory knowledge of the mechanics... you don't even have to watch a video.