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    Xenosan's Avatar
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan94 View Post
    If a WAR has equal to or less HP than me in Defiance, he is a worse MT. In that case he has FAR less mitigation and might do marginally more damage, not at all enough to make up for it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan94 View Post
    In that case, the WAR has far less mitigation than a DRK, and is thus a bad MT.
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    [2o,ooo HP WAR vs 14,ooo HP DRK] Great. That WAR would make an equally good MT to a DRK. Not better though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan94 View Post
    Alright, let's refocus: move the goal post:
    ...
    If the WAR is using STR accessories, the DRK has a clear mitigation advantage over the WAR.
    You won't get passed this STR vs VIT thing.

    Excess VIT is a waste - maximize your EHP via other means - like your CDs. It's why people substitute VIT for STR - it's min/maxing the job - avoiding redundancies. ALEX NM today, went DRK 14ooo with Party VIT bonus.. MT'd everything just dandy. F2 - Higher DPS than MNK and BRD - ok I lied - I didn't MT F2 - THX, PLD buddy! (BRD may have died without my knowing, I can't understand why he parsed so low - ACT not registering WM damage after patch maybe?). F3 my DRK beat that aforementioned 20k HP WAR by over 120 DPS (And I was the MT!). Was *he the better tank cuz he had 20ooo HP vs my 14ooo? No! And I'm not foolish enough to think *I am awesome for beating him out like that, or that DRK is OP. No, all that parse tells me is he's lazy or watching Netflix while raiding. Point being he wasn't willing to min/max his job to it's fullest potential.

    But by your logic he makes the better tank and is the shining example everyone should strive for.

    Since day one of early access these 'cd' = 'cd' have been ugh.. false equivalencies.. lack of context.. Many game first competitors role with STR-hinged WAR MTs (DPS checks are a thing), absolutely no reason to have to prove their worth to you. It's DRK that's in limbo - we'll see what happens come (Savage) when i170/i180 gear won't be enough to carry casually through.

    I didn't include them because we were talking about mitigation, and DRK has plenty of self-healing too, just like WAR.
    And then the bait and dodge. Things like this are why your comparisons aren't holding water.
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    Last edited by Xenosan; 07-08-2015 at 04:16 PM.

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    Player JayCommon's Avatar
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    Indaki Sativa
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Xenosan View Post
    (BRD may have died without my knowing, I can't understand why he parsed so low - ACT not registering WM damage after patch maybe?).

    I know this is completely off topic, but it sounds like this never-ending debate that everyone has here with Kaedan could use a small break

    I know our Bard hopped in the machine thing to move Bombs and apply the de-buffs to the adds. I'm not sure how much DPS you can do when your in that, but it possibly contributed to a low parse? I used to main BRD, and although I haven't gotten it to 60 yet (58 atm), I did play around the changes. I'm on console so I can't parse but visually I could tell an increase in my attacks in WM over the old version and applying it was obviously easier. I can't think of a reason a damage increase to a skill could break ACT, but then again I don't use it so I wouldn't know if what I say holds merit in regards to that.

    Sorry for interrupting with senseless non-tank drivel. Y'all can now get back to your regularly scheduled bickering.
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