Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Ditto]

vs. Physical
Defiance = Grit
Shadowskin > Thrill of Battle + Convalescence (90s cooldown vs. 120s cooldown)
Raw Intuition > Dark Dance
Vengeance > Shadow Wall (2min cooldown vs. 3min cooldown)
Storm's Path > Reprisal
Equilibrium(War) = N/A(Drk)
Wrath(War) = N/A(Drk) / Wrath(War) ?<? Dark Dance (30 second shorter CD over RI)

Inner Beast vs.... Convalescence on its own? It's sort of all your left with. DRK basically has no answer to a 20% damage mitigation that can be thrown out every 20s or so.

Winner? WAR, it's not even close

(wanna just throw in foresight for fun? WAR wins that too)

vs. Pure Magical
Defiance = Grit
Thrill of Battle + Convalescence < Shadowskin (90s cooldown vs. 120s cooldown)
Inner Beast = Dark Mind (6s of 20% every 20s or so vs. 10s of 30% every 60s), although i'm being slightly generous here, WAR wins on pure mitigation due to being able to use it much more frequently
Vengeance > Shadow Wall
Storm's Path = N/A (Drk)
Equilibrium(War) = N/A(Drk)

Lets not just act as if War's don't have a 1200 potency heal every 60 seconds that scales off of their AP. (Which is a lifesaver if healers are unable to prep you for a tank buster for whatever reason, or your HP is critically low and you need quick instant heal to not get mauled by an auto attack)

And Magic cannot be parried, thus Reprisal isn't even an option in pure magic fights. It shouldn't even be listed as one if Raw Intuition isn't.

And though some may say it's trivial, War's have a constantly fluctuation Parry boost that will be anywhere from 2% - 10%, growing at whatever speed they're stacking wrath at. They may not be sitting on that parry rate at 5 stacks, but that is still an advantage in parry over a Drk. That is up to left side gear piece worth of parry they are constantly hitting, assuming I'm understanding how parry percentage boosts work. (Consider this grabbing at straws if you want, but it's an advantage nonetheless. Though I guess you could argue Dark Dances 30 second shorter cooldown over Raw Intuition would change that)

[Kaedan94]

Lets not just act as if War's don't have a 1200 potency heal every 60 seconds that scales off of their AP.

Great. And DRKs have Soul Eater, Abyssal Drain, and Sole Survior... what of it?

And Magic cannot be parried, thus Reprisal isn't even an option in pure magic fights. It shouldn't even be listed as one if Raw Intuition isn't.

Great. And DRKs have Dark Mind, what of it?

[Ditto]

Great. And DRKs have Soul Eater, Abyssal Drain, and Sole Survior... what of it?




Great. And DRKs have Dark Mind, what of it?

Good lord just quit tanking, forever. It's for your own good.

[Kaedan94]

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It's so amusing when people have to resort to insults because they don't have a rational counter-argument.

[Giantbane]

It's so amusing when people have to resort to insults because they don't have a rational counter-argument.

Sort of like people who just repeat their opinion as fact over and over again with nothing to back it up?

[Kaedan94]

Sort of like people who just repeat their opinion as fact over and over again with nothing to back it up?

Yeah, I know. I really do hate that too. Insisting you are right about something without rationally explaining is pointless.

Yes, yes, you don't need to respond with some less-than-witty statement about me missing the point of your post. I'm well aware it was a weak attempt of a jab at me. Luckily it so happens that I "backed up" every statement I made, so your vitriol missed it's mark by a mile.

Can I take "What is Inner Beast" for 500?
Sure, Dark Mind is awesome, but why would you even try to raise a counter argument against the inability to use Reprisal, with that? Can I take "What is Storms Path 100% uptime" for 1000?

Do you even bother to read, or you just like to make less-than-witty attacks at people and change the subject and conditions of the argument?

Your statement was "Reprisal doesn't affect magic attacks"... and I pointed out that we have Dark Mind to make up for that.

[Giantbane]

Yeah, I know. I really do hate that too. Insisting you are right about something without rationally explaining is pointless.

Yes, yes, you don't need to respond with some less-than-witty statement about me missing the point of your post. I'm well aware it was a weak attempt of a jab at me. Luckily it so happens that I "backed up" every statement I made, so your vitriol missed it's mark by a mile.

For instance, the following:

A 20k HP WAR (in Defiance) vs a 16k DRK in Grit are roughly equal.

You keep saying this, but you haven't backed this up at all. Hell, it took a while for you to actually accept that this was an important comparison that should be made.


In fact, I'm having difficulty finding a point you've made in this thread that you've actually backed up. Most (all) of your arguments have big holes in them. When they're pointed out, you sort of gloss over the fact, and pretend it didn't happen.

[Ditto]

Do you even bother to read, or you just like to make less-than-witty attacks at people and change the subject and conditions of the argument?

Your statement was "Reprisal doesn't affect magic attacks"... and I pointed out that we have Dark Mind to make up for that.

So basically what you're saying is, to make up for a 10% damage debuff to all damage done, raid wide, we have a self buff on a 10 second duration, and 60 second cooldown. (15% regular, 30% Dark Arts)

Uhuh.


Mhmm..


I see..


Quite..


Very Well.


You'd almost think that they were 2 different types of abilities, 1 that works to minimize damage received for your entire group, and one that works only for yourself. Then the other somewhere out there that has a 100% uptime and can be applied no matter the situation.

[Ditto]

It's so amusing when people have to resort to insults because they don't have a rational counter-argument.

Great. And DRKs have Soul Eater, Abyssal Drain, and Sole Survior... what of it?

Inner Beast.

(Abyssal Drain, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you best be tanking a mountain of trash)

Equilibrium.

See I can list cd's too

Sole Survivor is limited to a static 20%, and CANNOT be used unless a mob dies close enough for you to put it on it, and within the 15 seconds the skill stays applied for. Oh, and a 120 second cd vs. the 60 second cd of equilibrium.

Great. And DRKs have Dark Mind, what of it?

Can I take "What is Inner Beast" for 500?

Sure, Dark Mind is awesome, but why would you even try to raise a counter argument against the inability to use Reprisal, with that? Can I take "What is Storms Path 100% uptime" for 1000?

It's so amusing when people have to resort to insults because they don't have a rational counter-argument.

And no, it's more of the amount of nonsense you're posting all over the place, not even on this topic alone, is almost humerus. No matter how logical and factual the counter argument someone brings up against anything you, you try to counter with some chopped up, irrelevant comparison that is incredibly bias and is full of holes. Your reply there only proves that. It's tiring to even think of how to reply to the crap you're saying, because you're all over the place.

You can tell you're in the tanking forum when everyone is so defensive about their job.

Eh? Eh?

Good god I needed that, 10/10 I actually laughed.