Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Kiteless]

*sigh*

You do realize that Defiance reduces damage by 25%, right? And that DRK's damage is only reduced by 5% in Grit due to Darkside. So no, WARs even with STR spec are not doing "more damage than we'll ever deal". Because we have a 20% buffer (though some of that is admittedly reduced by other damage buffs WAR has).

That's not how that works... at all. First of all, the damage multipliers of Darkside and Grit are multiplicative, not additive. That means that a DRK under Grit/Darkside is operating with 92% damage output, not 95%. Additionally, if you're going to make inclusions of Darkside for DRK's damage, you have to include Maim's modifier for WAR. Both should be up at all times anyway. That means that DRK operates at 92% output, and War operates at 90% output. Not a huge difference, until you factor in abilities like Berserk (+50% attack power), Unchained (+33% damage output) and Storm's Eye (-10% target slashing defense), which cause WAR's output to soar, far higher than anything DRK's oGCD attacks can even hope to match.

But hey, making incredibly poor, biased arguments is easy.

And yes, precisely. If he has less HP, even in Defiance, he has less VIT. That's precisely the point.

If a WAR has equal to or less HP than me in Defiance, he is a worse MT.

Um... no. Serious question, do you know much about tanking? The worse MT is the one who dies. If an MT has enough health to keep themselves alive, it doesn't matter if they have ten or a million HP. More importantly, the better MT will keep themselves alive while supporting the party more or doing more damage. Both things that WAR does better. And if they don't have to invest in vitality accessories to do it, even better.

In that case he has FAR less mitigation and might do marginally more damage, not at all enough to make up for it.

Um... no, they more than make up for it. There's a reason why no serious tank uses vitality gear right now. It's not worth using.