How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[spelley]

And thats where we hit the issue. SNIP.

AOE isn't the "point" of Geirskogul, it's just bonus free damage if you line the mobs/adds up properly. It's not used for the 6+ enemy speedpulls, but while single targeting down <= 3-4 mobs, throwing Geirskogul out while doing your normal rotation you get a bunch of free DPS on the others. Also, you can't really maintain HT -> RoT, DT Spam very long before TP runs dry. Usually in a big pull I'm forced to use the AoE rotation, burn Invig, do it some more and then ~200 TP left or so I go back to single target rotation w/BotD Geirskogul's helping put out as much as possible.

Basically, you should be looking at Geirskogul as a 200 potency oGCD with a cooldown of about 20s in high-uptime fights and a 30s cooldown on "erratic" fights that does bonus damage to groups.

[Arienal]

Basically, you should be looking at Geirskogul as a 200 potency oGCD with a cooldown of about 20s in high-uptime fights and a 30s cooldown on "erratic" fights that does bonus damage to groups.

And so our 'big hitter' is nothing more than a 200 potency leg sweep every 20-30 seconds with absurd build up and punishing of mistakes. Again, this is not worth the effort to even be using for the small amount of gain you do get for it. I throw leg sweep into my rotation because its instant, oGCD, and most bosses are immune to stun anyway. Geir's build up and maintenance for just a stronger version of that leg sweep isn't justifiable.

[seekified]

And so our 'big hitter' is nothing more than a 200 potency leg sweep every 20-30 seconds with absurd build up and punishing of mistakes. Again, this is not worth the effort to even be using for the small amount of gain you do get for it. I throw leg sweep into my rotation because its instant, oGCD, and most bosses are immune to stun anyway. Geir's build up and maintenance for just a stronger version of that leg sweep isn't justifiable.

Then don't use it and be a worse DRG than people who do.

[Mibhas]

And so our 'big hitter' is nothing more than a 200 potency leg sweep every 20-30 seconds with absurd build up and punishing of mistakes. Again, this is not worth the effort to even be using for the small amount of gain you do get for it. I throw leg sweep into my rotation because its instant, oGCD, and most bosses are immune to stun anyway. Geir's build up and maintenance for just a stronger version of that leg sweep isn't justifiable.

Are you trolling or something? The whole point of the Expansion was to give classes added depth and put some complexity on there. If you think GK is so bad, then just don't use it and doom yourself to be a third-rate Dragoon. I did a Ravana Extreme yesterday, and GK was 39.71 of my DPS (5%), and that was using it pretty much entirely in a single target fashion, not hitting multiple targets with one. Considering the AoE opportunities there were in FCoB (T10 adds, T12 Bennus, T13 add phase), that percentage is likely going to increase come future raids. Come on man.

[Arienal]

Are you trolling or something?

No, i assure you I am quite serious. And i don't use geir, yet you know what? despite the fact im still using my pre-HW rotations, aside from BoTD paired with BfB. and yet i still out perform other dragoon's i group with who ARE using geir every chance they get, this happens much too often for it to just be "oh they were a bad drg" so please, enlighten me how i can be a "third rate drg" as you put it, and still outperform people who ARE using this?
All this new ability set does is make us run around more. thats it, thats not added depth.

[Mibhas]

and yet i still out perform other dragoon's i group with who ARE using geir every chance they get, this happens much too often for it to just be "oh they were a bad drg" so please, enlighten me how i can be a "third rate drg" as you put it, and still outperform people who ARE using this?

I'll admit i havent yet fought ravana EX, what i am going by in terms of actual numbers is my experience on A)Bismark EX, and B)the two new EX dungeon bosses.

Random DF Dragoons are not a good benchmark.


Look, the practical application of this better rotation that you don't want to do is just as easy as the old one. Just save GKs when you're new to the fight and don't know when phase transitions/mechanics are going to occur. It is that simple. Our Lord and Saviour, Dervy, and his apostles have given us the numerically superior rotation, and it's now on us to implement it. We're lucky we even get spoonfed this number work.

[Arienal]

Random DF Dragoons are not a good benchmark.

Don't assume Mibhas, not once have i even mentioned the DF, these are drg's i know personally to be more than competent.

Dervy I wasn't reffering to you in that comment, individuals like yourself and Spellery who keep civil and make counter-points rather than resorting to "you suck" comments like Mibhas here are the kind of people i came to speak with.

[spelley]

Geir's build up and maintenance for just a stronger version of that leg sweep isn't justifiable.

Actually, our Big Hitter these days is probably Power Surged Jump (which is actually pretty awesome that our spike damage is our iconic ability). It's a matter of opinion on whether the effort:value ratio is "worth it." Personally, it helps me be a better DPS and I know I wouldn't give up the damage on Leg Sweep for anything, so why would I give up "free" 200 DPS (with potential for much higher) just because it requires me to learn my class better? Anyway, it isn't actually particularly difficult to maintain 2 Geirskogul/min from what I've seen in most content. 3 is the "ideal" but not required.

PS: 4.3k Heavy Thrusted, Blood for Blooded, Blood of the Dragoned, Power Surged, Critical Jump is beautiful to behold.