How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Jollyy5]

One of my biggest questions is: "Where do I stick all those new skills so that I'll have no trouble including them in a rotation fluidly?"

I'm pretty sure that by now DRGs are at least close to being as difficult to play as Monks, even if just because of the sheer volume of buttons we need to press, while they only get some quality of life improvements while their rotation stays pretty much the same.

Also: What do you mean by "Too much DPS"? The change doesn't look -that- big, and it was bout time DRGs ascend from being "sorta-okay-melee-DPS"

[MercuryD]

One of my biggest questions is: "Where do I stick all those new skills so that I'll have no trouble including them in a rotation fluidly?"

I'm pretty sure that by now DRGs are at least close to being as difficult to play as Monks, even if just because of the sheer volume of buttons we need to press, while they only get some quality of life improvements while their rotation stays pretty much the same.

Also: What do you mean by "Too much DPS"? The change doesn't look -that- big, and it was bout time DRGs ascend from being "sorta-okay-melee-DPS"

I agree on the buttons. My xhotbar is filled already...

[seekified]

Again, this is all just theory and we'll have to see the actual numbers when we get in-game. But if this is all correct... Dragoon is one scary Job.

Well, that's actually surprisingly comfortable - the way our current rotation works it still takes three full rotations to get DFD back to where it was at the beginning and four rotations to get BFB back to being available after the second GCD where it is the first time around. This will be similar and looks quite fun to do.

Also: What do you mean by "Too much DPS"? The change doesn't look -that- big, and it was bout time DRGs ascend from being "sorta-okay-melee-DPS"

Increasing PPS by that amount while changing nothing else is quite impressive, really. Scaled with gear, this'll become quite insane. I have to say I think DRGs are much more than "sorta-okay" at the moment either though, if played correctly, but then I am biased.

As for the crossbar issue, personally I already jump between three different bars to execute everything I have in a rotation, plus potions and Limit Break. That RB + A/B/X/Y motion has become very practiced these past two years. Yoshi did say he's got a plan though.

[EllPii]

I reckon. I need to find a way to stick these skills on my g600 to hit them fluidly.

[xnonamex]

I reckon. I need to find a way to stick these skills on my g600 to hit them fluidly.

Yeah same problem! i'm already using most of the combinations that are reasonable for me. Cuz the bottom row is just hard to reach tbh so i tend to stick to the upper 9 buttons on the side. i will need to redo my toolbars grr... well i guess i could push the def buffs in some corner and not use them for the simplicity and go MOAR DEEEPS and trust the heals

One thing Geirskogul has over Doomspike it's TP consumption. Doomspike pretty much nails our TP bar during speedruns, whereas Geirskogul would give us a little respite. I guess.

If you have a good speedrun it's usually fine. you kill stuff before you ommm and if you have a nin with you then is fine. Don't think it will be worth going into rotation to renew BotD, just pop BotD and blow it in Geir i guess. because usually with all the mess going on in speedruns with mobs moving around and stuff usually the single target rotation gets crippled to some extent anyways if you are trying to put the doomspike in the optimal position after that.

[Faltrask]

You don't know what you're talking about, we barely know anything about what the rotations are gonna be for all dps, and you already calling out DRG will be OP? xD Cmon, let's wait a few month for that, let's focus on finding out a good rotation for dragoon instead.

EDIT: and you don't even know which kind of mechanics we gonna deal with on new content...

[ChaozK]

Guys, why are you all still mere lancers? Time to become a Dragoon

On topic, we still have to see how much off a boost other jobs get. The casters look to get a significant dps increase with all their new stuff, Bard (and MCH) will dps harder too with its caster stance.
Now when it comes to MNK and NIN its hard to tell. MNK doesnt seem to get its ceiling raised much outside of a 220 pot 30s off GCD but then again he seems to benefit a lot from the system changes. NIN doesnt seem to get too much of an increase either but then again NIN is pretty badass right now, so that might be some sort of re-balancing.

[Jonnycbad]

Guys, why are you all still mere lancers? Time to become a Dragoon

On topic, we still have to see how much off a boost other jobs get. The casters look to get a significant dps increase with all their new stuff, Bard (and MCH) will dps harder too with its caster stance.
Now when it comes to MNK and NIN its hard to tell. MNK doesnt seem to get its ceiling raised much outside of a 220 pot 30s off GCD but then again he seems to benefit a lot from the system changes. NIN doesnt seem to get too much of an increase either but then again NIN is pretty badass right now, so that might be some sort of re-balancing.

Isn't mnk getting a hadouken that consumes their chakras and is 400 potency or something? Also isn't one of NIN's new abilities an oGCD that doubles the potency of their next weapon skill?

[ChaozK]

Isn't mnk getting a hadouken that consumes their chakras and is 400 potency or something? Also isn't one of NIN's new abilities an oGCD that doubles the potency of their next weapon skill?

The hadouken is the 220 pot off GCD called elixir field, the skill that consumes their stacks is tornado kick for 330 pot and the chakra skill's potency is not known yet. Both tornado kick and forbidden chakra wont be used frequently in their rotation because they require downtime. Leaving only elixier field as part of their new rotation.
As far as the nin goes the wording of duality is weird, it might actually just give 100 extra pot because it doesnt benefit from combo-bonuses.

[Viridiana]

As far as the nin goes the wording of duality is weird, it might actually just give 100 extra pot because it doesnt benefit from combo-bonuses.

Worst case, if that reading is correct, Spinning Edge is still 150 potency, so you would use it there. Of course, if that reading is correct then Duality would be worse than Mug, so. . .