How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Mibhas]

There's nothing wrong with the rotation. If you're worried about BoTD falling off, just use GK less. You can play it safe while learning fights, and once you are confident with the fight and know the mechanics and their timings, you can use GK more often in a way that doesn't make BoTD not drop off. I personally use 90% of the rotation like normal in Ravana Ex, and only save the occasional GK based on downtime (e.g. running from orbs) or so I can shift them a few seconds away so I can use more in a red phase instead.

[Jonnycbad]

The point is to increase BOTD duration, I am aware, but if you miss your positional on the 4th hit, it's a DPS loss. I'm not saying negate the positional requirement for the full 290 potency, I'm just saying make it less important. The difference between a front/flank Chaos Thrust and a rear is +/- 50 potency, the difference between flank HT and front/rear HT is +/- 70 potency. The difference between a correct positional FC/WT? +/- 190 potency. That's a pretty steep penalty.

[QCrimson]

Yes, and that's precisely the point. High reward, high risk. It's fine the way it is, you're not supposed to be at 100% at all times.

[Tilgung]

Yes, and that's precisely the point. High reward, high risk. It's fine the way it is, you're not supposed to be at 100% at all times.

Nope. High risk, high reward is dancing with Earthshakers next to Bahamut to maintain as much up time as you can.

Wheeling Thrust proc on Ravana when the only damageable spot is on one of the flanks is RNG punishment.

[enil]

Nope. High risk, high reward is dancing with Earthshakers next to Bahamut to maintain as much up time as you can.

Wheeling Thrust proc on Ravana when the only damageable spot is on one of the flanks is RNG punishment.

Positionals have been in FFXIV since release. It's part of being melee, it's part of the game. If anything dragoons were more heavily punished for their positionals when HT and ID did not progress your combo if you did not get the positional.

Go play DPS warrior if you don't want to deal with positionals.

Let's say we do have forced phases where it's not possible to hit positionals, at what point is it worth to dump BoTD on GK and skip 4th combo (miss 1,2,3 4th combos depending on BoTD cooldown?), at what point is it worth to skip 4th combo but not dump it on GK and resume 4th combo on the next combo (assuming you have enough BoTD time).

[QCrimson]

Wheeling Thrust proc on Ravana when the only damageable spot is on one of the flanks is RNG punishment.

And you don't think that's what they were shooting for when they designed the seeing mechanic ? Yeah, sometimes you'll have trouble landing that 4th hit, so what ? It's not something you can't recover from dps-wise. Every class has to deal with something similar on Ravana.

EDIT: the positional fix happened because of fights like T11. The 4th hit positional requirements are far from being as punishing as HT/ID were back then.

[AzureKoi]

The point is to increase BOTD duration, I am aware, but if you miss your positional on the 4th hit, it's a DPS loss. I'm not saying negate the positional requirement for the full 290 potency, I'm just saying make it less important. The difference between a front/flank Chaos Thrust and a rear is +/- 50 potency, the difference between flank HT and front/rear HT is +/- 70 potency. The difference between a correct positional FC/WT? +/- 190 potency. That's a pretty steep penalty.

I feel like the penalty is compensated by the 30% boost to Jump and SSDive as well as the ability to cast 2-3 GK per minute. Overall its an increase in DPS, it just makes the difference between a good increase and a great increase depending on if you are hitting your positionals for FC/WT. It really isn't a big deal to me and makes fights feel more engaging if anything.

Just remember the times when we had to flank or no HT buff, or we had to hit the rear or no CT combo lol. Those were far worse penalties ;P

[Tilgung]

We were punished severely. Which is exactly why they went and fixed that mess.

Positionals are fine. I've been playing DRG since release. I can cope with something I don't enjoy because I like every single other aspect of the job. But 190 potency loss due to RNG is complete and utter bullshit. RNG punishment is my only complaint.

EDIT: I shouldn't even say RNG punishment. Excessive RNG punishment is more correct. That stuff is why we got our positional fix in the first place.

[Vornin]

How are Dragoons parsing in Ravana Ex? Full fight, not just the increased damage one.