Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[AnaviAnael]

While I completely understand the argument of "allow us to play dark knight, astrologian, and machinist without going to Ishgard," I don't understand the "I don't play combat classes, let me go to Ishgard" argument. We gain access to Ishgard via the story. The story requires you to do battle.

In FFXI terms (for those of us who played) this would be the equivalent of saying, "Let us go to Sky or Sea without having to progress through Rise of the Zilart or Chains of Promathia (respectively)."

[Callinon]

In FFXI terms (for those of us who played) this would be the equivalent of saying, "Let us go to Sky or Sea without having to progress through Rise of the Zilart or Chains of Promathia (respectively)."

If they were saying "Let us go to Coil without fighting anything" you'd be right, but this is more like "Let us go to Aht Urghan even though we haven't beaten CoP." Which is a thing you could do, btw.

[Duuude007]

If they were saying "Let us go to Coil without fighting anything" you'd be right, but this is more like "Let us go to Sea even though we haven't beaten Ultima/Omega Weapons." Which is a thing you could do, btw.

Bad analogy... hell it isn't even the same expansion... They aren't sequential. le sigh.

A more accurate analogy would be "Let us go to Tavnazian Safehold even though we haven't beaten all three Promyvions." Which is a thing you STILL cannot do, btw.

[Callinon]

Bad analogy... hell it isn't even the same expansion... They aren't sequential. le sigh.

A more accurate analogy would be "Let us go to Tavnazian Safehold even though we haven't beaten all three Promyvions." Which is a thing you STILL cannot do, btw.

Why is the analogy bad?

You're aware that Heavensward is an expansion right? It's not just a content patch? We're clear about that? Good.

So: entering Heavensward content (Ishgard in this case) would be the equivalent of entering Aht Urghan Whitegate. Still with me? Heavensward is still an expansion. That hasn't changed between sentences.

Now, to enter Aht Urghan Whitegate, I had to do a single quest. That quest however did not require me to have completed Chains of Promathia, which is the expansion that came before Treasures of Aht Urghan. Remember Heavensward is an expansion.

Ok, let's put it together: Entering Ishgard (Whitegate) should not require me to have completed the full expansion prior to it (2.55 main story) because it is unfriendly to new players to do that. Mostly it locks off access to the new jobs which are typically a major selling point for an expansion (remember, Heavensward is an expansion and not a content patch).

Understand now?

[Parryacg]

Understand now?

No, because they're two totally different games.

What worked then doesn't work now, and will not work now.

Did I mention they're two different games?

[AnaviAnael]

Why is the analogy bad?

You're aware that Heavensward is an expansion right? It's not just a content patch? We're clear about that? Good.

So: entering Heavensward content (Ishgard in this case) would be the equivalent of entering Aht Urghan Whitegate. Still with me? Heavensward is still an expansion. That hasn't changed between sentences.


Understand now?

Which still required you to be Rank 3 in your nation, unless you bought your Tenshodo invite. (Even if you did, it still required someone else to be rank 3 so they could quest it.)
Since you want to equate Aht Urhgan with Ishgard, let's also consider this. You STILL wouldn't want to go to AU as a new character since everything in that expansion is designed around a level 75 character. This trend continued with Wings of the Goddess and Seekers of Adoulin. You still need to be capped out in order to fully enjoy the expansion's missions and endgame. Yes, there may have been exp parties in those areas, but they weren't newbie friendly either.

Yes, it's an expansion. However, it's an expansion for a game based around being at the level cap.

[Duuude007]

(Really condescending junk)
Understand now?

Really can't believe you still cannot see the obvious. And yes, still a terrible analogy.

You had to complete Zilart prerequisites to access Sky.
You did not have to complete CoP prerequisites to access Sky.
You did not have to complete ToAaU prerequisites to access Sky.

and...

You had to complete CoP prerequisites to access TS/Sea.
You did not have to complete Zilart prerequisites to access TS/Sea.
You did not have to complete ToAU prerequisites to access TS/Sea.

and...

You had to complete ToAU prerequisites to access WG.
You did not have to complete Zilart prerequisites to access WG.
You did not have to complete CoP prerequisites to access WG.

Expansions. Disconnected. Take one path, ignore the rest, that's fine. Whether one of the three was drastically easier is irrelevant. One is not required to access another.

HOWEVER!

Rise of the Zilart was the very first expansion to FFXI.

And lo and behold, prerequisites:

After defeating the Shadow Lord for nation mission 5-2, you can unlock ZM-1: "The New Frontier"

...You were saying?

[AnaviAnael]

HOWEVER!

Rise of the Zilart was the very first expansion to FFXI.

And lo and behold, prerequisites:



...You were saying?

And that was the situation North American players faced upon the game's release here. Yet we still played. Some of us for years.

[Parryacg]

...You were saying?

It still doesn't matter. FF11 =/= FF14 and FF14=/= FF11.

You can make all the complaints against it in the world, the fact that it's locked behind the MSQ is staying.

No ifs ands or buts, and the best part is; they cannot change it within 11 days for early access. So anyone who hasn't done the MSQ is SOL. Whether people like it or not, Heavensward being gated behind 2.55 is not going to change. Which I'm glad. Though it won't change how many people will be sucking all over the place with DRK/AST until we get rotations set. (Myself included)

[Duuude007]

It still doesn't matter. FF11 =/= FF14 and FF14=/= FF11.

You can make all the complaints against it in the world, the fact that it's locked behind the MSQ is staying.

Whoa Nelly, I was not the one who began referencing FF11. Nor was I whining about how it will be in HW. Direct your 'tude to where it is more constructive, thank you very much.