Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Callinon]

The new player aspect is troubling, and I've been saying it for months.

It's pretty unique from an MMO standpoint to gate off an expansion behind such a huge requirement. Normally you just have to be the right level and off you go.

I think SE kind of painted themselves into a corner by not having the ARR story be self-contained. The way the story works, you HAVE to complete it before going to Ishgard makes any sense. This is terrible for a number of reasons, but the biggest one is that it makes the expansion not draw in brand new players (or it does and they feel cheated when they hear what they have to do to play with the new shiny). I expect SE to take a hit in the reviews of Heavensward for this one. It may otherwise be a brilliant expansion, but this one thing alone is going to turn off so many people who would otherwise have picked the game up.

[Duuude007]

They won't be able to touch certain nodes (and likely, certain recipes) without Ishgard access..



No they aren't. Look at how much they've put into the progression system for crafter's/gatherer's, they even implemented an entire Beast Tribe to them.

We have no significant data on the new tribes yet, let's not muck up the discussion with that.

Also, you cannot roll a DoH or DoL. By design. Because they are not the main focus of the game.

Lastly, and probably most importantly- A battlecraft class can play the MSQ and little else (including grind), and with Heavensward adjustments they can get lvl 1-50 likely in less than 12 hours, and because of the superior gear rewards built into the questline they will already be sufficiently geared to complete Steps of Faith. Per SE.

I suggest less than 12 hours, conservatively, because a couple friends, even today without the Heavensward boosts, can grind to 50 on a combat class in about 9 hours.

TLDR: Demanding handouts is pointless. People who refuse to do MSQ progression are not owed the perks of doing MSQ progression.

they feel cheated when they hear [they have to progress just like every other player accessing Ishgard]

I know, right? so unfair...

[Dante_V]

They probably aren't going to let you do it without completing the Main Story for a long time. No matter who the post is for it still isn't going to happen and another 800 threads that "Man I really wish I could start this game at the end of the game" isn't really going to change that. Everyone else is going thru the story. You'll make it. Playing a game to unlock it's content is a fairly common premise in 2015. If the people who made all these posts put that effort into actually doing the quest they'd be done by now.

[Nanaho]

No

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[AnaviAnael]

While I completely understand the argument of "allow us to play dark knight, astrologian, and machinist without going to Ishgard," I don't understand the "I don't play combat classes, let me go to Ishgard" argument. We gain access to Ishgard via the story. The story requires you to do battle.

In FFXI terms (for those of us who played) this would be the equivalent of saying, "Let us go to Sky or Sea without having to progress through Rise of the Zilart or Chains of Promathia (respectively)."

[HorrorStory]

That plays right into the hands of bots. I would like those unfortunate sad-sacks to choose to bot to work for it.

[Kiara1]

There's a really easy solution to that problem. Don't play alts. There's no need to play one so anything you don't enjoy as a result of playing an alt is something you're forcing on yourself, it's not the game's fault.

Actually I have to play alts to manage my inventory. I want every kind of unique gear, so that I can change my outfit as I see fit.
SE keeps adding new gear but they don't add new inventory space, therefore I need to make new characters with other jobs my main don't play so I can have them all.

Also there are Miqote, lalafellin, hyur, elezen, rogadeuyn (I cant spell that one) and soon Au Ra, if the game was meant for one character only there would only be one race.

Mainly because I like having personalities for my characters. So because I am playing the RPG part of an mmoRPG I need to do the main quest and all the silly trials again and again, even if i've already done them and I find them rubbish and boring?
I find that silly. Everyone keeps saying it's a theme park mmo, but they are still gating new players and they need to do all the old stuff to get to the new stuff

[Keydah]

If you don't care about story, it's not hard to just skip all the cutscenes and dialogue. So that isn't an argument.
If you refuse to play battle classes, then you're in a small minority. Even then, just spend a week working on a battle class, get access to Ishgard, never think about it again. Thus, not an argument unless you're lazy or deadset on this being a fishing simulator.

This is an MMO driven by a story (that includes battle), not a mindless zerg like many others. You can't complain that you have to do story (or battle) when you know it's a story-filled (and battle-oriented) MMO.
Having in-depth crafting, gathering, and fishing does not make it a crafting, gathering, and fishing MMO, either. Play however you enjoy, but you can't complain when they choose to cater to the vast majority of players instead of you.

[TitaniaZero]

Actually I have to play alts to manage my inventory. I want every kind of unique gear, so that I can change my outfit as I see fit.
SE keeps adding new gear but they don't add new inventory space, therefore I need to make new characters with other jobs my main don't play so I can have them all.

Also there are Miqote, lalafellin, hyur, elezen, rogadeuyn (I cant spell that one) and soon Au Ra, if the game was meant for one character only there would only be one race.

Mainly because I like having personalities for my characters. So because I am playing the RPG part of an mmoRPG I need to do the main quest and all the silly trials again and again, even if i've already done them and I find them rubbish and boring?
I find that silly. Everyone keeps saying it's a theme park mmo, but they are still gating new players and they need to do all the old stuff to get to the new stuff

A Themepark MMO can gate things.

What you want is a Sandbox.

[Callinon]

In FFXI terms (for those of us who played) this would be the equivalent of saying, "Let us go to Sky or Sea without having to progress through Rise of the Zilart or Chains of Promathia (respectively)."

If they were saying "Let us go to Coil without fighting anything" you'd be right, but this is more like "Let us go to Aht Urghan even though we haven't beaten CoP." Which is a thing you could do, btw.