Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

[Duuude007]

(Really condescending junk)
Understand now?

Really can't believe you still cannot see the obvious. And yes, still a terrible analogy.

You had to complete Zilart prerequisites to access Sky.
You did not have to complete CoP prerequisites to access Sky.
You did not have to complete ToAaU prerequisites to access Sky.

and...

You had to complete CoP prerequisites to access TS/Sea.
You did not have to complete Zilart prerequisites to access TS/Sea.
You did not have to complete ToAU prerequisites to access TS/Sea.

and...

You had to complete ToAU prerequisites to access WG.
You did not have to complete Zilart prerequisites to access WG.
You did not have to complete CoP prerequisites to access WG.

Expansions. Disconnected. Take one path, ignore the rest, that's fine. Whether one of the three was drastically easier is irrelevant. One is not required to access another.

HOWEVER!

Rise of the Zilart was the very first expansion to FFXI.

And lo and behold, prerequisites:

After defeating the Shadow Lord for nation mission 5-2, you can unlock ZM-1: "The New Frontier"

...You were saying?

[AnaviAnael]

HOWEVER!

Rise of the Zilart was the very first expansion to FFXI.

And lo and behold, prerequisites:



...You were saying?

And that was the situation North American players faced upon the game's release here. Yet we still played. Some of us for years.

[Parryacg]

...You were saying?

It still doesn't matter. FF11 =/= FF14 and FF14=/= FF11.

You can make all the complaints against it in the world, the fact that it's locked behind the MSQ is staying.

No ifs ands or buts, and the best part is; they cannot change it within 11 days for early access. So anyone who hasn't done the MSQ is SOL. Whether people like it or not, Heavensward being gated behind 2.55 is not going to change. Which I'm glad. Though it won't change how many people will be sucking all over the place with DRK/AST until we get rotations set. (Myself included)

[Duuude007]

It still doesn't matter. FF11 =/= FF14 and FF14=/= FF11.

You can make all the complaints against it in the world, the fact that it's locked behind the MSQ is staying.

Whoa Nelly, I was not the one who began referencing FF11. Nor was I whining about how it will be in HW. Direct your 'tude to where it is more constructive, thank you very much.

[Parryacg]

Whoa Nelly, I was not the one who began referencing FF11. Nor was I whining about how it will be in HW. Direct your 'tude to where it is more constructive, thank you very much.

I'm sorry, my brain hurts too much right now because people can't seem to think, and I seem to lack reading comprehension.

[AnaviAnael]

I'm sorry, my brain hurts too much right now because people can't seem to think, and I seem to lack reading comprehension.

May I offer a cup of cocoa to appease the Primal of Lalafells? /offers cocoa.

[Parryacg]

May I offer a cup of cocoa to appease the Primal of Lalafells? /offers cocoa.

I am pleased with this. Have my very first thumbs up on the forums.

[Yuri_Hyuga]

May I offer a cup of cocoa to appease the Primal of Lalafells? /offers cocoa.

Her name is Shantotto, isn't it?

[Callinon]

It still doesn't matter. FF11 =/= FF14 and FF14=/= FF11.

I used FF11 as an example because it's something a large percentage of people here have been exposed to. I could use other examples if you'd like...

You didn't need to finish Naxx40 to go to Outland
You didn't need to finish Sunwell to go to Northrend

Both of those would've been considered expansion completion in WoW.

You didn't need to finish your class storyline to go to Makeb in SWTOR
You didn't need to finish whatever the final raid ended up being in Rift to access Storm Legion.

What I'm saying is this is an MMO standard. Completion of the previous expansion's content is not normally required to access the next one, only the appropriate character level.

As for some of the other baseless assumptions people have tossed at me... (not from you)

I finished the 2.55 story the day it was released. I'm ready to go. I'm not raising this concern because I won't be able to access HW. I'm raising it because selling an expansion isn't supposed to work like this.

I also don't want free gear. I'm not sure why this always gets thrown in. It doesn't even seem to matter what the subject is. Weird.

I never said, even once, that a brand new player should be able to do the HW story without being the proper level. That would clearly be ridiculous. But being able to access the area and having access to the new jobs (specifically) is a pretty standard thing for an MMO expansion regardless of prior progression.

As someone pointed out, starting the Rise of the Zilart story required completion of the base FFXI story. That's true, and I'd forgotten about that. The fact is though, that was 12(?) years ago and MMOs have changed in the meantime. And again I'm not even talking about the HW story content. I'm talking about the areas.

[Parryacg]

As someone pointed out, starting the Rise of the Zilart story required completion of the base FFXI story. That's true, and I'd forgotten about that. The fact is though, that was 12(?) years ago and MMOs have changed in the meantime. And again I'm not even talking about the HW story content. I'm talking about the areas.

And it doesn't change the fact now. It's gated behind 2.55, it's going to stay that way.

Remember; Heavensward's story [continues] where 2.55 left off. This makes it an expansion in the literal sense, not just "oh, have a new story in the expansion area with all your old stuff and character(s)".

With that said, I'm glad it's gated behind 2.55. What I'm not glad about is Vishnap getting nerfed (two patches ago?) because people are bad and can't learn to be at least mildly competent.