Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

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I have read, and what essentially you are saying is that just because he was rude, you were rude back. Way to put out the fire with more lighter fluid Einstein. /sarcasm

Then, after you were rude right back, you proceeded to tell them how to play their class. As if anyone is going to listen to someone who is also rude.





You allude to being an authority in the field of tanking and that your opinion in that field has more weight than other people's opinion in that field. Then, you proceed to contradict that statement by saying your opinion has no more value. So which is it? Does your opinion have more weight in the field of tanking just because you're a tank, or does it not have as much value as someone else's? If you claim to be an authority, then you should know all the aspects of the role. Next time, claim to be an authority in being a Paladin, since Paladins and Warriors have different capabilities and thus handle situations and fights differently sometimes.



Compromise on a request for a full clear? Lol. The whole point of full clear is to kill everything. There is no compromising to be made without it then not being a full clear. Congrats on being uninformed.



If you had a problem with his attitude, then using words first would be smarter. Before the first big pull, you could have said "Okay, but let's clear the main hall way first, then go back for the leftovers. Please be sure to use your AOEs when we get them all gathered" instead of pretending you're Stoic the Silent Mute. A run goes better when everyone is on the same page and understands one another, especially when you're dealing with lower level players who may not know yet that 100 potency when used on 10 mobs is worth more than 300 on one mob. Also, the eye's AOE doesn't reach into the side halls. You could have pulled all the mobs up to one side hall together, then the next, and so on. Someone needs to study their dungeons it sounds like, if they are such an authority.



You have no idea what hostile is if you think that's how I am acting. Judgmental, yes, definitely. Because the way you handled the situation for someone who seems to believe they are the leader is unbecoming of any leader. Responding against rudeness with being rude. Demanding respect without giving it. Commanding change after demonstrating inability to change. You have all the same signs of some of the worst sergeants I have ever worked under. Learn to be a gentleman or woman, respect the wishes of others to garner respect from them, and change your plan of attack to better suit those you are commanding and better suit the situation they wish to be in. This would have gone a lot smoother and a lot more friendlier if you had talked first and explained your plan, as well as what you need them to do, than just charging in. So, again, lack of planning on your part possibly compounded by a lack of communication as well as a possible lack of experience on theirs resulted in everyone having a bad time, and you going into the forums and complaining about your privilege as a tank.

Putting words into my mouth again I see. I was doing my routine DD pull, and chose to spend a little time on thinking on how to react to his abuse inside the crystal buff while we fought, offered him compromise, and he shot it down. How is that rude....? Is offering compromise or taking a moment to decide what to say to his blatant abuse rude? Not the optimal reaction one would have, but I am not perfect. And there you go again, personally insulting my intelligence :/

And again, you're failing to understand my context. I was equating a tank's role rights of pulling mobs to an authority's rights to have a more valuable opinion on their subject. I did not contradict my statement. Do you see the "as a person" in that quote? Do you know what that means? It means I'm saying that the authority's value as a person is not superior to the others' values as people. Everyone has the same personal rights. Their opinions on their subject (as a tank's choice in playing their role of pulling mobs, as a surgeon's opinion on surgery, etc) is more valuable than others' opinions on it (a dps' choice in pulling mobs, a photographers' choice on surgery, etc). Hopefully this clarified that for you. Also, you still fail to prove that point. A PLD and WAR both fill the tank role in a dungeon, and you do not have to know how to play one to play the other. They're both going to tank either way. And if I'm playing PLD, obviously I don't need to know how WAR's abilities work for that situation. I only need to know how to tank with PLD if I'm playing PLD.

You think there can't be compromise on a full clear? So, me asking the dps to AoE when he wanted to single target isn't offering compromise? You're the uninformed one here.

Also, I am typically a quiet person. I also think before I speak. You know what my first reaction was when I was made into a slave immediately? "What is your problem dude?" is what I wanted to say. I controlled myself, and instead chose to get the first kills out of the way and talk to him during that before deciding what to do next. And I was reasonable when I talked to him. Also, I didn't know that about that dungeon. I haven't run it in a while. Thank you for bringing that to my attention however. It still does not justify the demands and attitude and slavelike treatment of me exhibited by him, and still in no way means that I wasn't going to pull the mobs in those rooms, especially given the compromise discussion. Also, he was not new.

Looking at his profile on the lodestone now, he has multiple 50s: WAR, WHM, NIN, and now BRD. He also bragged that he has all 3* crafts, not that that is combat relevant. But it points to him being in the game for a while nonetheless. Even if he had been new, what I was asking of him was not unreasonable.

And yes, you are being hostile. Want me to name some examples of direct insults you've made?

And again...I did NOT DEMAND ANYTHING. I was immediately shown disrespect and demanded of....how are you continuing to get from this that I demanded of him and disrespected him first...he lost some respect from me from his first statement and treating me like a slave, but still, I was willing to give him what he wanted...when I discussed a plan, he told me to screw off and leave or do what they wanted.

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I was giving the healer time to buff everyone as normal, so he definitely had time to ask a little more nicely, especially could have added in "please"

But yes, I really need to start using the votekick feature more. I avoid it like the plague because I'm quite tolerant and just hate the idea of booting people out completely, but I really do need to become one of those "kick happy" people. The more I'm in this community, the more I realize that. I've seen too many people wrongfully kicked due to apathy, seen plenty get kicked wrongfully simply because the bad people hit the button first.