Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Krylo]

So, as it's come up a lot in this thread, can I just ask why any DPS (or anyone) would WANT a full clear for exp? "They have to wait a half hour/hour obviously they want their exp" has come up a bunch, but you get less that way than doing a speed run and then going back to Fates/Levequests.

Like, okay, fate farming is boring. Sure. And Levequests get tedious. Plus you can't learn how to play your character in a party without doing dungeons. So yes, clearly you want to do a lot of dungeons leveling. Fine. And when you do them you want exp.

But here's the thing: You get a lot of exp for dungeon completion and for boss kills. You get pretty good exp for random trash too--but the exp per minute is going to be lower for random trash than just doing fates or leves. If you're doing full clears, you are, therefore, slowing down your leveling, not speeding it up.

As someone who has started leveling a bunch of DPS classes to 50 to kill time until expansion, and who mains a DPS class, I actually hate it when another DPS asks for full clear. It just makes it take longer for me to get to that next job/class quest that I'm always trying to push toward as personal milestones. With the semi-exception of letting seeds hatch in AV. If you do it right it doesn't really take any more time and it's 10x the exp. If you're killing seeds off for your 'speed run' you're just kind of a dick. But that's the only exception.

On topic: Anyone who read the thread would see that the DPS ran ahead to pull, made a 5 mob pull into a 9 mob pull, and then refused to use his 'one AoE', making it take painfully long. Whenever I get in groups like that I generally tell them to have fun, apologize to any innocent members of the party and leave. If I'm healer or tank I try to remember to ask any innocent DPS what their server is so I can party with them and requeue when I'm able to make it up to them if possible.

I think pulling mobs off the DPS rather than letting him die, and saying, 'Okay we can do a full run, but only if you actually use your AoE skill' is actually going above and beyond what could be expected of anyone dealing with that level of toxicity regardless of their role.

[MirielleLavandre]

If I'm healer or tank I try to remember to ask any innocent DPS what their server is so I can party with them and requeue when I'm able to make it up to them if possible.

While I agree with you, wouldn't it be easier to just vote kick the troll/abusive dps instead of leaving the party? Maybe after one warning? I know I've had some previous FFXI players in groups who were new and still thought ranged dps were supposed to pull, until they were told differently ^^

[Neri]

Maybe full clear also apply to those that want the all map open achievement as well?

[Krylo]

While I agree with you, wouldn't it be easier to just vote kick the troll/abusive dps instead of leaving the party? Maybe after one warning? I know I've had some previous FFXI players in groups who were new and still thought ranged dps were supposed to pull, until they were told differently ^^

That's the go to but if there's 2 people together (like the Brayflox I had while leveling my healer where the tank refused to flash adds, I could barely keep myself up through, he got critted and died, and then he and the other DPS blamed me for the wipe after numerous other dickish/arrogant comments, or the LotA alliance that all stepped off their pad and caused a wipe and then got toxic in alliance chat. . .), then I'd prefer to just leave. Also certain levels of toxicity just make me rather leave a dungeon entirely and wind down than to continue onward. That's just me, though.

Maybe full clear also apply to those that want the all map open achievement as well?

Point. I like those as well. And, really, when I'm tanking I've no issue getting them, or doing full clears. Now that I have the only Zeta I ever want, and have pld and war to 30 I'm super laid back as a tank so long as people don't wreck my day.

[Sapphic]

Correct, however, if you don't pull the mobs off them and attempt to not die

And if you do that they don't learn and continue to face pull even more mobs which can easily lead to a wipe. Any competent tank is aware of their limitations and pulls to that point. a random impatient DPS pulling extra mobs is putting the whole party at risk, and safest option is to let them die so the mobs reset.

[LaylaTsarra]

And tanks have no business skipping parts of the dungeon..

My experience with DPS or others who pull these antics are those who want to speed run a dungeon and don't want to wait on the tank. On the other hand if someone wants to use Aurum Vale as a way to level their role there is certainly no obligation on the part of the tank or the party to have to do so by doing a full clear of all mobs in a zone. Or if I'm running Satasha Baby for a book I certainly don't need to run into all the optional rooms to do my job. To say they are skipping parts of the dungeon is a bit much.

If someone asks politely I think most would cater to their wishes IF they have the time.

[Sapphic]

So you go by gear rather than player skill, here's something for you I have SCH level 50, and I haven't touched it, now I could greed on all WoD healer gear, and get the Soldiary weapon, maybe even upgrade it from ST, now here's me as a SCH not touched since I got it to 50 it high iLvl gear and decided to start playing it, what would you do then? All I see is an "I know better than you" just because a. you are a tank and b. you have looked at my gear and you assume I am a capable healer, so you start pulling large pulls, what would happen when you were dying?

Tank should start smaller and then see how it goes to be able to set a good standard for the rest of the dungeon. If on the first pull the mobs drop fast, the healers mana hardly moves, tank knows they can go bigger. If, they die slow and the helers mana drops a noticeable amount, then pull accordingly. Party composition will help them decide too.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Maybe, just maybe, DPS and healers turned to acting entitled due to all the entitled tanks they have to deal with on a consistent basis.

[Warlyx]

u guys know that u can *gasp* actually repeat the dungeos over and over? if 3 want to skip , ok > skip , u can reenter after finishing it

ppl dont want to skip? oh well , leave , ask if its possible to skip , or just go with the party..... or well go "rebel" and QQ on the forums :P

[Voltyblast]

In most of my runs I usually let the dps choose what they want to do: I don't usually mind if they want a full clear or not. All I ever care whenever I enter a dungeon, raid or whatnot is the completion of it and only in rare cases I ask for a particular thing: overall I never had that many issues and all I ever needed to do is ask.

Although, if the DPS starts to treat me like a tool for having the decency of asking them what they want, for then bashing me in return "because I was supposed to know", I simply leave and let them wait for another tank.

Afterall, if I'm the issue I shouldn't hinder their progress, am I correct? I mean, they can easily wait for another tank that suit their needs, while I can INSTANTLY get into another dungeon and do what I need to do: It's a win win situation!

Except that it could've been avoided if they told me from the beginning what they wanted...oh well, c'est la vie!