Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Adire]

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The only "wrong" I did was that I didn't immediately respond to him, and that was partly due to failing to know what to say immediately, and partly due to refusing to be taken advantage of when being (what I perceived, whether right or wrong) demanded of. It was not my "ego" blocking me. I did not sit there and think, "welp, not going to help this guy now". It did not stem from any ego (unless being irked by someone making demands) problems, and I even "redeemed" myself by helping him kill the mobs he pulled while we discussed the compromise. He believed he had the right to get his way 100% and hold us hostage by using the healer, whose job is not to pull, as leverage to get his way 100%. He wanted the healer to not do their job in order to force us to abandon our rights completely.

My compromise and willingness to continue if he had indicated he was going to be a decent person was evidence of my coolheadedness as well. I will say I need to "simmer down" some after this thread though. 30 pages of people regularly throwing insults at me personally can become hurtful though, even though you haven't done it yourself. I'm not even arguing with you that I would have done things a little differently if I could go back in time (such as asking him to rephrase his first sentence), but hindsight is a benefit I did not have at the time. You also haven't thrown direct, personal insults at me and my character either, and I do thank you for that.

You're getting the wrong idea that I am egotistical enough to be uncompromising and unwilling to admit faults though. In this situation, I did nothing more than simply defend my rights. I took his into consideration even after he treated me terribly. And as I've said, I always do clears if asked nicely or if outvoted. An egotistical person would not do either of things.

And like I said, I've had far fewer bad experiences as a dps and healer. I main NIN and play BLM more than PLD these days too, and yet still have more bad experiences as a PLD.

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It's logical to make the comparison. Why? Because people still have preferred classes, and therefore preferred roles. That's why people say they main things. I main NIN for example, which is of course DPS.

He also may have been a better tank, I don't know. How is this relevant to anything though?

We can sit around all day going on about 'Maybe if you had been polite SOONER' if we want, but that's stupid and a hilarious double standard. Tank has to immediately respond with politeness and roses, but DPS can word anything anyway they like and are to be assumed to be in the best of intentions.

Very good points in your post Krylo, especially this one. Thank you

Everyone wanting me to assume the DPS had good intentions with his sentence and being okay with him assuming (and assuming themselves, judging by some posts here) that I had bad intentions by not immediately doing what he wanted or saying "please reword that" seems...odd.

[GenJoe]

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man you're such a kuso oyaji just like your character picture I love it!

Nobody's asking you to be a judge, take your mallet and go elsewhere.

Sitting on your high horse acting like you're some paragon of justice and neutrality, i.e. cowering behind your facade of mighty neutralness without voicing an actual opinion on the matter won't get you anybody's respect behind a keyboard..

It's all good on paper I suppose, but if you ask me, that's just a way to avoid taking a stance. If you don't have a stance, we don't need you to stand over our heads spewing from your high horse sir.


Now, back on your topic at hand.

Were both parties at fault? Sure. You're not the the first person to mention that btw, you seem to be under the impression that you are but there have been many people that's said that before you.. In either case, so what's your point beyond that?? Is that it?

[PrimeEvilPanda]

A lot of people mistaken the forums for a blog.

[GenJoe]

This is precisely the reason why I don't even try to hold a facade of being a decent human being on the forums.. The moment you start being apologetic and show compromise, people want you to bend over and listen to their scolding and start imposing their views on how you should behave, carry the weight of the World on your shoulders.. Well, Atlas can't carry the World forever, you gotta learn to shrug it off at some point... I suppose Atlas can, but hey, we're only humans right?

Well of course, first and foremost reason is that I'm just a bad person.. obviously.


OP, no amount of your explanation will be enough for some people. Some people will want you to be a textbook hero, offering your time for free to whoever NEEDS it and not who DESERVES it.

[Adire]

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I'm really starting to believe that is a sad truth GenJoe :/. I can see myself becoming a very jaded, cold player if I stick around here much longer.

You must not be that bad though ;3 you've been sticking around on this thread for a while now, offering your input, not letting me drown in the responses telling me how terrible of a person I am. I wish you were on Balmung, I'd hug you for that!

Oh well, if we're evil rotten people, I guess we'll just form a club.

-Slams head against the keyboard and groans-

Look, I'm not advocating for you to walk away from Tanking. That's the farthest thing I would want to see you do.

We need as many tanks in this game as we can get. So please don't give up on Tanking.

I know you aren't otarolgam. You wouldn't believe how many people are pretty much saying I must overall be a bad person, an "example of what's wrong with tanks", an "entitled hypocrite", that my feelings don't matter, etc because of what happened in this situation. The people who think I'm to blame for this situation are one thing, I disagree about most ways people are saying I had bad intent from the beginning, and know that I didn't, and provided evidence of that, but there are plenty of people who have pretty much insisted and assumed I must be a bad person in general and normally.

It's pretty crazy. And I can say I've encountered the most abuse as a tank, not a healer or dps. And I main DPS, so I've had far more time put in, and as such should have had more bad experiences as a DPS if the abuse levels were even between roles.

To make the large amount of people who are doing what I just mentioned happy, and to save myself the headache, it's probably best that I just stick to tanking for friends.

You should have seen some of the tags for this thread before they got removed...very immature and hateful. "Bitch please", "idiot tank", to name a couple.

[otarolgam]

-Slams head against the keyboard and groans-

Look, I'm not advocating for you to walk away from Tanking. That's the farthest thing I would want to see you do.

We need as many tanks in this game as we can get. So please don't give up on Tanking.

[nuyu11]

How long this thread gonna go?

In this game 1 character can play all class, so there is no specific group which one you're belong to.
You can be anything you want, yet people still want to make the comparison.
The person you saw playing DPS might be far more better TANK than you are.

And btw why so concern about that? You only met him for that run only then gone...
Your stress only for that run and less than 30 mins, not worth at all to keep whining about that.

[Vydos]

Long topic is long and I've only just read it now.

I'll just leave the next few words about my own thoughts of this.

Firstly,
Why even create such a thread? You had a bad experience with a dps in a run. Then what's the big deal? Everyone had bad experiences with someone, something in this game. And most likely on many occasions. As a fellow tank, I can attest to that. But that does not mean it happens all the time. This situation has nothing to do with dps being entitled. It's just someone being a bit of a jerk. And as far I know, this world has them. And you simply learn to deal with them or ignore them. And if you need to vent, do the same as me and vent it ingame with ls members.


Secondly,
I feel you both were in the wrong. But I have to admit that the DPS was definately an oddball. "I only have one AoE" Yeah...then why didn't he use it. That's what its for after all lol.
But you as tank are also partly to blame for feeling the entitlement that you control the entire run. Yes, we lead the run. But a leader is nothing without followers. And vice versa. But again, from what I read. It does really seem that the DPS was more in the wrong. Considering you tried to compromise, by pulling large mobs and AoE'ing them down. On the other hand, this might have been the highest leveled job the dps had. And he might not be familiar with speedruns/group pulls. Hence, why he might have thought that one AoE didn't cut it.

Remember, speed runs and large pulls only started with the higher ilvl instances. Players who just started to play won't really be familiar with those things at that level.

Just some food for thought.

[nuyu11]

100% agree

Such a wise words from Elven, are you Urianger long relative?
Just chill and don't whine OP.