Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Thank goodness I have my FC and LS friends so I don't got to deal with entitlement in general.

[Delsus]

I might gear my SCH and show these entitled tanks they aren't everything

[Magistrella]

yup reading through all the comments its clear as day majority of tanks are the 1s with entitlement issues.. just some of thier attitudes are LOL good to see not all tanks are like that tho :3

Yes we are entitled to pace however we see fit. Because when we keep aggro of everything and the heal cant keep up it is US who will be lying in the dirt face first. Not your chubby dps ass that thought they could kill faster but actually couldnt. And not that healer ass either because they thought they can heal through an additional group of mobs. YOU dont see our cooldowns, YOU dont know how much mobs you can take with the gear you're wearing and the resources (MP/TP) you have left.

Just because some tanks feel its their inclined right to pace how they see fit for the actual group they're in, it doesnt make them entitled - if you say so you basically just call them utter idiots with no capability of group judgement and experience. If you feel on the other hand entitled to pull more mobs then the tank already did and he's comfortable with - as i said in a previous post - go die in a corner or play tank yourself.

Still no Zodiac drop yet btw q.q someone sacrifice rngesus some lalafell virgins please q.q

[XgungraveX]

In all honesty, there are only a couple occasions I had to be a substitute tank.

disgusting.... i always project my healers or i don't stand for long :3

[Delsus]

Yes we are entitled to pace however we see fit. Because when we keep aggro of everything and the heal cant keep up it is US who will be lying in the dirt face first. Not your chubby dps ass that thought they could kill faster but actually couldnt. And not that healer ass either because they thought they can heal through an additional group of mobs. YOU dont see our cooldowns, YOU dont know how much mobs you can take with the gear you're wearing and the resources (MP/TP) you have left.

With that attitude I can see you being the person that pulls too much and blames the healer and dps, It's this attitude that makes the FFXIV community so toxic, I can see it now you pull too many and die "why didn't I get any heals" "duh because I ran out of MP, you need smaller pulls" "stop sucking then I always pull this I'm tank it's up to me"

And before long it's an Edda moment all over again.

[Magistrella]

With that attitude I can see you being the person that pulls too much and blames the healer and dps, It's this attitude that makes the FFXIV community so toxic, I can see it now you pull too many and die "why didn't I get any heals" "duh because I ran out of MP, you need smaller pulls" "stop sucking then I always pull this I'm tank it's up to me"

And before long it's an Edda moment all over again.

Wrong, im one of those tanks that actually looks at the equipment of all party members before rushing in a dungeon. But im also one of those tanks that will let you eat dirt if you decide to make me go out of my way and undermine my judgement and think you can do it better.

Good job assuming tho, did that really well ^.^b

[Katana190]

So much disrespect for tanks! D: As a tank, sure I feel entitled, yeahhh, I said it, I feel pretty entitled with my insta queue, who the hell are you to tell me, that because we have insta queues we should feel less entitled? The fahk? Its not mine or another other tanks fault we are short in supply, its just how the holy trinity works lel. We are the leaders of the instance, and decide on the pace, doesn't mean we're not open to suggestions. Want me to pull more? Sure. Need a few seconds before the next pull/boss? Sure. My only condition is decency, if you ask politely then I'll of course oblige.

[Delsus]

Wrong, im one of those tanks that actually looks at the equipment of all party members before rushing in a dungeon. But im also one of those tanks that will let you eat dirt if you decide to make me go out of my way and undermine my judgement and think you can do it better.

Good job assuming tho, did that really well ^.^b

So you go by gear rather than player skill, here's something for you I have SCH level 50, and I haven't touched it, now I could greed on all WoD healer gear, and get the Soldiary weapon, maybe even upgrade it from ST, now here's me as a SCH not touched since I got it to 50 it high iLvl gear and decided to start playing it, what would you do then? All I see is an "I know better than you" just because a. you are a tank and b. you have looked at my gear and you assume I am a capable healer, so you start pulling large pulls, what would happen when you were dying?

[Magistrella]

We are the leaders of the instance, and decide on the pace, doesn't mean we're not open to suggestions. Want me to pull more? Sure. Need a few seconds before the next pull/boss? Sure. My only condition is decency, if you ask politely then I'll of course oblige.

This - obnoxious people that throw demands in my face will get nothing but a smirk and a "Don't like it? Kick me." I will get another entry in less then one minute, you will have to wait for a replacement or a new que. If you ask nicely with politeness like a half decent human being - i wont mind. I'm not throwing in your face that you suck at your class so don't do that with me either - which you do by telling me to pull more or less then im capable/comfortable with.

Strange how tone/manners makes the difference in getting what you want, eh?

So you go by gear rather than player skill, here's something for you I have SCH level 50, and I haven't touched it, now I could greed on all WoD healer gear, and get the Soldiary weapon, maybe even upgrade it from ST, now here's me as a SCH not touched since I got it to 50 it high iLvl gear and decided to start playing it, what would you do then? All I see is an "I know better than you" just because a. you are a tank and b. you have looked at my gear and you assume I am a capable healer, so you start pulling large pulls, what would happen when you were dying?

Easy: I'd adjust my playstyle to the situation instead of lashing out to you. Are you really so stuck in your thinking, believing that EVERYONE would just call you words instead of reacting to the situation properly?

Yes, i will judge you by gear at the start of the dungeon, thats the only thing i can do really quickly without having played with you first. And if you wear full 120 on the left side ill probably assume that its not your main, because, yknow you'd wear other stuff if it was. And after that: If the first pull goes wrong i will change my pulling behavior fitting the needs of the group im in to get it done smoothly. Because thats why im in there actually, to get it done, and im not looking for any drama or bullshitting.

And yes, i probably will know it better then you. I'm playing tank since 2.0 release, do new instances on the first day, so i know what im getting in when i DF it later on, pay attention to mechanics, know which mobs hit how hard, know how many mobs stand in a dungeon at which point, know which AoEs they do and if they're ranged/melee, and according to that i find out how many mobs i can pull when and where without being too demanding on the group.

*type hype* off to tank some more stuff, so far people havent complained in weeks about me :P

[Hyrist]

Wrong, im one of those tanks that actually looks at the equipment of all party members before rushing in a dungeon. But im also one of those tanks that will let you eat dirt if you decide to make me go out of my way and undermine my judgement and think you can do it better.

Good job assuming tho, did that really well ^.^b

There's no point in being defensive on the forums on either one of these points.

Better than just checking, and judging, especially in a lowbie dungeon, it can be resolved with just simple polite conversation.

"Hi, I'm here for EXP, can we please full clear this is my highest dungeon."

Then, if the tank, or another member isn't able/inclined to, a polite response can be.

"Sorry, I'm trying to get this roulette in before my Static Raids."


The situation advantage here is not the Tanks. The tank is trying to rush, and only knows one DPS. The DPS can simply stop cold on the PLD and pull with the healer at their own pace. Suddenly one Tank and one DPS are without the heals they need to complete the run. If this was just an ornery DPS ticking off the party it would be a matter of an outlier misbehaving. It was not. This was a split decision by the party and communication failed.

As everyone (read tank players) has said, I most definitely will see myself out, or let you kick me. I'll get back in a dungeon in no time flat (see tank queue times). Feel free to continue thinking that it's not the tanks job to control the pace, and you'll find that dungeon runs will become more and more frustrating until you finally quit the game. So really, get with the program or switch to a tank class and do it your own way. Those are really your only options: 1: Quit, 2: Let the tank drive, or 3: play as a tank.

You are the embodiment of an entitled tank and should feel ashamed of yourself. At that point, I'd have no qualms in making you leave yourself and eat the half hour penalty. You can try to tackle the boss with no heals while the DPS and I clear the scrap monsters. Your kind of attitude needs to be heavily discouraged.

Statements like yours further the stigma against tanks throughout this game.