Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[XgungraveX]

You sound like a blast at parties

whelp blame that being a tank over years in every mmo, dps crucifying me as tank of small mistakes and getting toxic language throwing at me, after i while i stop caring what dps think and i run the dungeon my way if they don't like it have fun waiting another 30min que time, the only time i make a exception is friends ,guild member or healers (im mutual when it comes to heals) other than that dps like op mention can go pound sand.

[AskaRay]

whelp blame that being a tank over years in every mmo, dps crucifying me as tank of small mistakes and getting toxic language throwing at me, after i while i stop caring what dps think and i run the dungeon my way if they don't like it have fun waiting another 30min que time, the only time i make a exception is friends ,guild member or healers (im mutual when it comes to heals) other than that dps like op mention can go pound sand.

That's sort of sad though.. I mean of course you shouldn't take any crap from rude players, that'd be dumb, but isn't for the best if you assume at least people are..decent? (Maybe not smart. Or competent. But at least nice.)

I really don't understand why people are so rude to tanks... I mean, is there a problem with asking nicely, guys? Come on.

[XgungraveX]

That's sort of sad though.. I mean of course you shouldn't take any crap from rude players, that'd be dumb, but isn't for the best if you assume at least people are..decent? (Maybe not smart. Or competent. But at least nice.)

I really don't understand why people are so rude to tanks... I mean, is there a problem with asking nicely, guys? Come on.

ok i came off pretty harsh on the first post 90% im generally a layed back player who just to play, dungeon,raids and other stuff that the game has to offer,i just drives me up wall when a player is being toxic to players making a small mistake in raids or pulling mobs that there not suppose and dying then turning around and blame the tank for not picking it up, that why i dont get mad when im raiding with a new player and they mess up, its a learning process just like every mmo is, and the end of the day we all want xp and loot.

[KaijinRhada]

That's sort of sad though.. I mean of course you shouldn't take any crap from rude players, that'd be dumb, but isn't for the best if you assume at least people are..decent? (Maybe not smart. Or competent. But at least nice.)

I really don't understand why people are so rude to tanks... I mean, is there a problem with asking nicely, guys? Come on.

It's sadly the way it is in most games that have the trinity. Tanks and healers share the bulk of the blame, but when a tank dies, of the reasons that are thought of, it's either they didn't do something right, they pulled too much, positioned badly, aren't geared enough, didn't have the right CDs, or the healer couldn't heal them. Of the reasons that immediately come to mind for most people, most of it pins the blame on the tank. On the last reason, there could be many reasons why the healer couldn't keep them up, but that's an extra line of thought and some people don't think much further on why something failed. The last thing that comes to mind generally is blaming DPS, unless it's a very obvious issue that they aren't doing enough or are needlessly pulling shit. This is coming from a former almost-decade-career tank in previous games, so the view is biased.

On the note of politeness though, it's not only for tanks, but people in general. Strangers are but passersby to the crowd and some unruly people just can't be assed to be civil and polite. :/ I try to be polite as possible regardless of my role, even if short.

[Elim]

whelp blame that being a tank over years in every mmo, dps crucifying me as tank of small mistakes and getting toxic language throwing at me, after i while i stop caring.

I completely sympathize. I main tank on my alt. One time I forgot that I was in sword oath for one mob pull. We didn't wipe, but I apologized after and put on shield oath, expecting to just move on. But the healer said, "Looks like we got a retard tank. I always get the retards." I dunno why people think tanks aren't human beings and that it's okay to treat them badly.

[Skivvy]

I'm guessing you didn't read that I said he said "no skipping anything" immediately when the barrier at the beginning went down.

He sure had that typed fast for someone you're assuming to be without a keyboard O.o. He literally had it typed as I was coming out of the skipped cutscene blackscreen. And is it really THAT bad adding "please" to the sentence? I used to suffer typing on PS3, he had plenty of time to type it out with please added, trust me. Especially while the healer was buffing everyone.

It's trendy to blame me for having a bad reaction to immediate demands and hostility though, and to make judgements of my character and assumptions about me, that much is clear.

I read what you typed. Still doesn't change the fact you refused to take the high road. Rather than just brush off a potentially rude comment, you decide to make him pay by doing it your way. Part of being a leader is being the responsible one.

[silentwindfr]

the tank is the lead about how , what and when you gonna pull stuff.

a good tank will make be sure to pull the right number of monster depending of the type of dps. because do sack pull when you do have a duo of dragoon, ninja or monk is... dumb. they can AoE but this class are far stronger in mono target dps. the tips is to keep a good pace of pulling. like move when the last monster have something like 5% of hp left for go pull the next pack. if you don't have a black mage in the group.... don't pull more of 4 monster is dumb! you will have longer fight and more downtime because you will drain more tp and mana than needed.

personally if i see a dps pull.... i let him die. if he want to pull, he can start to level up a tank.

ps: because one member of the group want a clean sweep it don't mean that the rest of the group want to do it. it's as much selfish to ask for one than not doing it. by the way, i will be blunt, you will earn more exp from FATE than dungeon. the time you wait or spend into dungeon you can often earn 2-4 time the exp that you will earn from a dungeon. the best example is aurum Val where you will barelly get half a level worth of exp for a dungeon that will take about 40 minute, when outside you can earn almost one level from fate for same time....

[MistyMew]

I always have the attitude as a dps (or in any role), that majority rules....period. A stalemate can happen but thats not too often lol

Take a vote and see what the majority want. Its a fair way to settle things, if ppl want GUARANTEED full clears then make your own party orrrr.. if tanks want to skip 1/2 a dungeon GUARANTEED, then form your own party as well. Anything beyond that ...its a lottery and the majority should be the determining factor if using DF....nothing else.

Just being a tank doesnt not give any bonus rights to determine....anything lol

A tank can not solo dungeons, nor can a healer, nor a dps, its a TEAM effort and therefore a team decision about full or partial clears.

No role has any more "say" in anything...the pace is simply what a tank thinks he/she can handle without dying while COUNTING on the healer to survive and COUNTING on the dps to actually kill in a timely manner...thats a far cry from the delusion of controlling an entire run.

Bad/entitled/ rude, attitudes came from all roles however, mostly tanks that I have seen, but definately healers and dps as well. No role is exempt. When I am dps, I easily leave if anyone gets dicky, dont care about the timer...cant stomach terrible personalities.

As for full or partial clears I always go with what the majority of ppl want..I'm cool with a 40 min run to a 13 min run, as long as ppl are fair.

[silentwindfr]

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seriously, simply no.... in DF the rule is the tank decide.
the tank come for do a dungeon, he don't have the time for simply wait that we do a vote. it's not a democracy.... sorry but no, in DF the rule is the tank decide the pull...

[Ashkendor]

seriously, simply no.... in DF the rule is the tank decide.
the tank come for do a dungeon, he don't have the time for simply wait that we do a vote. it's not a democracy.... sorry but no, in DF the rule is the tank decide the pull...

Eh... yes it's part and parcel of the tank role to set the pace, but that pace needs to be OK with the rest of your party. Every role is integral to dungeon completion and all four of you are there for the same reason - to finish the content. Whether that be for exp or zodiac drops is irrelevant. I always gear check, then ask if big pulls are OK for 50+ dungeons. In lower level dungeons, I check to see if anyone is under level 50. If we have lower level players, I'll ask the party if they want a full clear. Some lower level players don't necessarily want a full clear for whatever reason - they could simply be in there for the roulette bonus. I'm usually in a 3 man premade when I queue up as tank, and we're all on voice chat. If the fourth is unsynced it's basically assumed that we'll do a full clear for them unless they ask otherwise.