Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[XgungraveX]

I agree I am similar in experience with tanking. Most people expects the tank to know the pulls, know the dungeon pathing, know the mob kill order, know the bosses and control hate. But if you mess up 7 times out of 10 you'll get yelled at. After a while you simply become cold and take everyone's hand and lead the way. Its not ideal but get yelled at for something yo u didn't do enough times and your tolerance plummets.
After tanking for long periods of time you get used to just making group decisions. You aren't trying to he rude but you've learned if you do not lead and someone else does it may not be a smooth run. I think people just get offended entirely too easy.
But it's been said before tanks should set the pace. Nice ones Will ask. Good ones will determine pull pace on a pull by pull means as well as gauging comp.

this times a million that why when people ask me should they play a tank i ask do you have really thick skin.

[Evangela]

I don't think anyone is wrong in that situation. just 2 group of people wanting to play the game the way they want, unfortunately got throw into a duty with each other.

btw, being a tank doesn't give you the rights to decide how the party's gonna play through the dungeon.

[GenJoe]

btw, being a tank doesn't give you the rights to decide how the party's gonna play through the dungeon.

Nope, it all comes down to who's more willing to eat a 30 minute penalty..

[SpookyGhost]

What is a tank's job? Their job is to keep aggro, initiate mob pulls, soak up damage from aggro'd mobs.

By letting DPS die because they pulled extra mobs, you (as a tank) aren't doing your job.

[XgungraveX]

By letting DPS die because they pulled extra mobs, you (as a tank) aren't doing your job.

dps shouldn't be pulling mobs and focusing the one that the tanks has....

[SpookyGhost]

dps shouldn't be pulling mobs and focusing the one that the tanks has....

Correct, however, if you don't pull the mobs off them and attempt to not die (by popping CDs (another part of your job)), then you're really not any better than the DPS. Ideally the tank dictates the pull order, but listening to your group will prevent things like what happened to the OP. Yes, the BRD didn't ask nicely, but he's probably asked nicely in the past and gotten shot down one too many times.

It's an unfortunate series of circumstance where the DPS really wanted EXP and had gotten tired of people refusing to help, the OP thinking "*looks down atop moral high-ground* I'LL TEACH THIS LOWLY DPS A LESSON FOR BEING A BIG MEANY!", and the healer/other DPS who sided with their friends. You also don't really need to AOE in any of the dungeons before DD, and you don't even need to AOE in DD when people pull 1 at a time, so in all likelyhood the OP forced him into a situation where he didn't know what to do and that just added more fuel to the fire. I'd say, perhaps, if you're going in DF don't pull the whole room and expect that to go well.

Anyway, aside from the OP, I was making a more general point about how your job as the tank works. As noted by the OP, you are there to hold aggro, not get the group cleaved, and soak damage "from aggro'd mobs". If a DPS decides to go off and aggro mobs, then you are responsible for picking those mobs up off them (this is a common occurrence in WoW, ninja pulling is something you get used to fairly quickly). If you then die despite your best efforts and your healer's best efforts, then you can yell at the DPS, but letting them die out of spite is kinda childish and kinda just makes you look like you're getting a bit too big for your britches.

[Kat_Manx]

So.. tanks in this post think a DPS asking for something is entitlement, yet they don't think they are entitled at all if they decide exactly how a dungeon is done, without communicating with others, just because "well lulz I'm the tank so of course I can go as fast or as slow as I want?"

Yeah umm.. please don't ever tank for me. I'd rather be in a queue longer than deal with you.

Yes, the DPS could have nicer about it, but you also didn't have to "rebel".. just vote on the matter and then do what the majority wants and if he THEN can't deal with it then sure, his problem. But I've never really enjoyed the fact tanks pull whatever they want whenever they want without even asking if for example a speedrun is OK or not. The lack of communication in this game bothers me.

[Delsus]

I think I have read enough of the thread to come to a conclusion. You don't think DPS should feel entitled (and now before I proceed any further I should note that yes he could have asked in a more polite manner, and I do agree with that one) yet you feel entitled to run as you want because you are the tank and are designed to pull and control hate, you have said this many times up to page 6, so let's not disagree on that one. You should also take into account that it's the healer's job to keep you as the tank alive, so ultimately you could say the healers should ultimately feel the most entitled due to your own rules yes you control the pace of the dungeon running through, but if the pace is too fast for the healer they can just let you die.

If you just wanted to do a dungeon to speed run and skip everything you could (as you yourself said in the OP, both you and your friend wanted to be don asap) you should use the PF where you can make this plain before people join. If I am in DF and someone makes a specific request (especially pulling everything for exp) I would comply as a lot of people use DF for exp.

You also make the comment "He has a healer with him so has instant queues" Yes he did this ONCE, unless you know him and know he always queues with a healer this is not a valid comment because just because they queued with a healer once doesn't mean they will queue everytime, so yes you would just be nerfing his exp gained just to satisfy your own needs, which is being entitled.

DPS have as much right to gain exp as anyone else and to do anything as much as anyone and refusing his request is just plain selfish.

[Magistrella]

By letting DPS die because they pulled extra mobs, you (as a tank) aren't doing your job.

Wrong, by letting them die i choose to be an idiot as they were for actually pulling mobs in the first place - end of story - i have the ranged attacks with added enmity, not the dps, you pull mobs that are out of my way - you die. Easy, isnt it?

To Topic - here's how it would have gone when i would've been the tank with a friend:

"no skipping anyhting" - "lol? Nope" - "Then the healer wont heal you" - "then i wont tank /sit - feel free to kick me in 5" - i get kicked in 5 minutes, my friend follows, they wait half an hour for a tank in the dungeon or decide to que new like me and my friend que new - problem solved, only 5 minutes wasted

And that's the end to that - if he wants exp he can make a PF group with first room farm dzemael and take his healer friend with him. If he joins the DF - not as tank - he will have to deal with pace and amount of mobs pulled by the tank. If the tank is good enough to look at exp/gear of group members and measure the pulls on that, that is a whole other story. But if you don't tank yourself and get shit from people for even the smallest mistakes, you will follow my pace and do your job - as will i as long as you don't piss me of - like with unfriendly demands right after i join.

P.S.: My Mains in order: BLM/PLD/NIN/SCH - so yeah, ill deal with any tanks that are out there and do as they please, because its faster and less nerve wrecking then demanding anything which can end up in the tank leaving and wasting my time waiting for a new tank or leaving and queing new.

Have a good day ('-')/

[Veji]

As a tank, i live by one very simple rule: "You pull it, you own it." Has worked for up until this point. I see no issues here.