Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Magistrella]

With that attitude I can see you being the person that pulls too much and blames the healer and dps, It's this attitude that makes the FFXIV community so toxic, I can see it now you pull too many and die "why didn't I get any heals" "duh because I ran out of MP, you need smaller pulls" "stop sucking then I always pull this I'm tank it's up to me"

And before long it's an Edda moment all over again.

Wrong, im one of those tanks that actually looks at the equipment of all party members before rushing in a dungeon. But im also one of those tanks that will let you eat dirt if you decide to make me go out of my way and undermine my judgement and think you can do it better.

Good job assuming tho, did that really well ^.^b

[Delsus]

Wrong, im one of those tanks that actually looks at the equipment of all party members before rushing in a dungeon. But im also one of those tanks that will let you eat dirt if you decide to make me go out of my way and undermine my judgement and think you can do it better.

Good job assuming tho, did that really well ^.^b

So you go by gear rather than player skill, here's something for you I have SCH level 50, and I haven't touched it, now I could greed on all WoD healer gear, and get the Soldiary weapon, maybe even upgrade it from ST, now here's me as a SCH not touched since I got it to 50 it high iLvl gear and decided to start playing it, what would you do then? All I see is an "I know better than you" just because a. you are a tank and b. you have looked at my gear and you assume I am a capable healer, so you start pulling large pulls, what would happen when you were dying?

[Sapphic]

So you go by gear rather than player skill, here's something for you I have SCH level 50, and I haven't touched it, now I could greed on all WoD healer gear, and get the Soldiary weapon, maybe even upgrade it from ST, now here's me as a SCH not touched since I got it to 50 it high iLvl gear and decided to start playing it, what would you do then? All I see is an "I know better than you" just because a. you are a tank and b. you have looked at my gear and you assume I am a capable healer, so you start pulling large pulls, what would happen when you were dying?

Tank should start smaller and then see how it goes to be able to set a good standard for the rest of the dungeon. If on the first pull the mobs drop fast, the healers mana hardly moves, tank knows they can go bigger. If, they die slow and the helers mana drops a noticeable amount, then pull accordingly. Party composition will help them decide too.

[Hyrist]

Wrong, im one of those tanks that actually looks at the equipment of all party members before rushing in a dungeon. But im also one of those tanks that will let you eat dirt if you decide to make me go out of my way and undermine my judgement and think you can do it better.

Good job assuming tho, did that really well ^.^b

There's no point in being defensive on the forums on either one of these points.

Better than just checking, and judging, especially in a lowbie dungeon, it can be resolved with just simple polite conversation.

"Hi, I'm here for EXP, can we please full clear this is my highest dungeon."

Then, if the tank, or another member isn't able/inclined to, a polite response can be.

"Sorry, I'm trying to get this roulette in before my Static Raids."


The situation advantage here is not the Tanks. The tank is trying to rush, and only knows one DPS. The DPS can simply stop cold on the PLD and pull with the healer at their own pace. Suddenly one Tank and one DPS are without the heals they need to complete the run. If this was just an ornery DPS ticking off the party it would be a matter of an outlier misbehaving. It was not. This was a split decision by the party and communication failed.

As everyone (read tank players) has said, I most definitely will see myself out, or let you kick me. I'll get back in a dungeon in no time flat (see tank queue times). Feel free to continue thinking that it's not the tanks job to control the pace, and you'll find that dungeon runs will become more and more frustrating until you finally quit the game. So really, get with the program or switch to a tank class and do it your own way. Those are really your only options: 1: Quit, 2: Let the tank drive, or 3: play as a tank.

You are the embodiment of an entitled tank and should feel ashamed of yourself. At that point, I'd have no qualms in making you leave yourself and eat the half hour penalty. You can try to tackle the boss with no heals while the DPS and I clear the scrap monsters. Your kind of attitude needs to be heavily discouraged.

Statements like yours further the stigma against tanks throughout this game.

[Dorander]

You are the embodiment of an entitled tank and should feel ashamed of yourself. At that point, I'd have no qualms in making you leave yourself and eat the half hour penalty. You can try to tackle the boss with no heals while the DPS and I clear the scrap monsters. Your kind of attitude needs to be heavily discouraged.

Statements like yours further the stigma against tanks throughout this game.

Sorry, but I don't feel ashamed. No matter how much you want me to. Try as you might to discourage 'my' (read most tanks) attitude and as you've seen in this thread, you will be fighting an uphill battle. Again, if you don't like the way it is.. please play a tank. We could use many, many more. If you choose to only play a healer or a dps, you are choosing to follow someone else's lead. Because without a tank, you 'might' be able to clear some trash waiting for another tank, but a boss.. forget about it.

However, if you keep making tanks leave or kick them, you will find this game will become very very difficult to get through. You will either give in and 'let the tank drive' or quit. There really isn't much more to say about it.

[Hyrist]

However, if you keep making tanks leave or kick them, you will find this game will become very very difficult to get through. You will either give in and 'let the tank drive' or quit. There really isn't much more to say about it.

Actually, I already work around that.

One, I tank myself when I desire to. It's not as if you have a monopoly on the jobs.

Two, I'm in an FC that holds decent people, including tanks, that are willing to run with members to not deal with poor attitudes of PUG tanks (We even swap tank roles to accommodate each other's needs.)

So, no, it's really not sweat off my back to kick a tank that's misbehaving. Poor attitudes, however, will keep you out of good FCs and Raid statics - which can hurt your progress more. That may be something you wish to consider.

[Dorander]

Actually, I already work around that.

One, I tank myself when I desire to. It's not as if you have a monopoly on the jobs.

Two, I'm in an FC that holds decent people, including tanks, that are willing to run with members to not deal with poor attitudes of PUG tanks (We even swap tank roles to accommodate each other's needs.)

So, no, it's really not sweat off my back to kick a tank that's misbehaving. Poor attitudes, however, will keep you out of good FCs and Raid statics - which can hurt your progress more. That may be something you wish to consider.

Then I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't have and have not had, any problems with my own progression and have quite a good FC myself. It's also no sweat off my back to accept being kicked or to kick an uppity healer/dps for trying to dictate to me how to run the dungeon. I've said my peace and will not change my attitude.

*unsubscribed to thread*

[Magistrella]

The situation advantage here is not the Tanks. The tank is trying to rush, and only knows one DPS. The DPS can simply stop cold on the PLD and pull with the healer at their own pace. Suddenly one Tank and one DPS are without the heals they need to complete the run. If this was just an ornery DPS ticking off the party it would be a matter of an outlier misbehaving. It was not. This was a split decision by the party and communication failed.

Yeh, i adressed that in my first post on that matter. Easiest solution: Vote Abandon and get other members, but as you said - communication fail, meh.

and thats a perfect example of what is wrong with mmorpg players nowdays.... /sigh

Feeling entitled to own other group members and get everything done how they want to? ^^

That's why playing with Japanese is such a blessing in Duty Finder - the tank will decide the speed and amount of mobs he pulls by default and if something goes wrong no one will start drama of any kind and just retry.
That's good when being tank, because you wont be insulted/rushed for whatever reason, but especially neat when you're a DPS. You just chill while you follow the tank around and you know you can trust the guy in the tin-can armor upfront.
If it can't be done the "vote abandon" card will be played after 10-15 minutes and still, no one will be blamed for it because it was a fail on the group side, not a single person.

Nyways, nothing more left to say - in the end theres idiots out there that will make you want to flip a table. But for everyone that tries to make your life harder there will be enough nice and patient people out there that are happy to change their way of playing if you just ask nicely

I would just like to point out that tanks do not control the pace of the dungeon; healers do. Tanks are supposed to only pull what a healer can heal through. The amount of hate they can hold effectively is secondary.

You just said it yourself: The tank is supposed to do proper pacing according to group needs *cough*
If they pull more then that they can pop more CDs and eventually get through it, if they run out of CDs or have none left they would get owned at the same amount of mobs and misjudged the situation

anyways *flies away and unsubscribes thread*