Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Kassiekane]

Whenever I join a dungeon as a dps, I'm just thankful I actually got a damn que. Tanks pulling extra mobs is a bonus.

However, I am mindful that people join dungeons for exp, so I will always try to go for a full clear when queing as a tank.

[Adire]

Whenever I join a dungeon as a dps, I'm just thankful I actually got a damn que. Tanks pulling extra mobs is a bonus.

However, I am mindful that people join dungeons for exp, so I will always try to go for a full clear when queing as a tank.

Yes, I typically do clears if people ask me. Demanding them as a dps, as this person did, is very rude however.

[Chambers]

A lot of people mistaken the forums for a blog.

[Kikoten]

I haven't tanked for very long, up to about level 27 as a MRD, but I learned a few lessons in my short time of tanking. Like what to do when a DPS wants to run ahead of me and pull optional groups.

The way I see it is if a DPS wants to pull so badly, let them pull. I'll try to draw aggro off them, but they'd best keep in mind that if they die or cause a wipe, it's their own fault and not mine. If you're a DPS or healer, pull at your own risk. And if they don't like the fact that I have that mentality, they can go ahead and kick me from the group. I'll find another one, while they'll be stuck waiting for another tank.

[TetsuyaHikari]

I get what you're trying to say, but you sabotaged your own argument by being entitled yourself, lol. DPS are entitled, tanks are entitled, and so are healers. You go in as a party, so act like one and discuss it before starting.

[Adire]

I get what you're trying to say, but you sabotaged your own argument by being entitled yourself, lol. DPS are entitled, tanks are entitled, and so are healers. You go in as a party, so act like one and discuss it before starting.

I am entitled to do my job as a tank if I am a tank. That is not true entitlement, as tanks are asking for no special privileges to pull, just doing their jobs. DPS are not entitled to do a tank's job if they aren't tanks. Believing themselves to have the right to is believing themselves to have special privileges to do things that are not within their job.

Glad to see that people who have posted here since I've gone have been more civil though. And no, this isn't sarcasm.

[MissBrunHilda]

How hard is it to just politely ask "do you mind if we do the extra mobs for exp?"

And if everyone else in the party says no, just take it gracefully. I can't speak for everyone, but nearly every run I've been in reacts positively to just a smidge of politeness. I know everyone likes to make a big stink about bad players/teams/parties, but on a whole, we're a very nice community.

[Whiteroom]

I ask what everone wants, and then go with the majority. While tanking, my vote is the tie breaker though. There are exceptions, but thats my general rule. Of course, when people are rude as the dps was, their vote means nothing to me.

[NTense]

This sounds incredibly hypocritical. Nowhere in any rule book does it state that the tank must determine who pulls what. Sure it is beneficial for the group if it is done this way but you have no right to demand anything yourself. People are free to play the game as they like. Just saying, you sound like an entitled tank. Pot calling the kettle black. As a tank it is your job to deal with any given situation, including obnoxious players, or be like that other guy and waste your time by letting people die to prove a point. You are not above the DPS. Also, maybe the WHM didn't have Holy unlocked yet.

[Adire]

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Think about it for one second please.

What is a tank's job? Their job is to keep aggro, initiate mob pulls, soak up damage from aggro'd mobs.

What is a DPS's job? To deal as much damage as possible

What is a healer's job? To keep everyone alive

Now tell me. Which of these jobs does run pacing via mob pull size/frequency fall under?

And you're right! People are free to play as they like. No one is denying that.

And you're right! I have no right to demand anything. I, however, haven't demanded anything...someone else demanded something from me. As I've already said, if people ask, I typically give them much more listening. If more people want exp than don't want it, I typically go along with it. If I didn't want to for whatever reason, I'd simply leave.

I don't see why you're trying to justify two people holding two people hostage, as if they have the right to do so, especially when I was the one intended by SE to do the job of determining run pace.

Blame the victim though, right?

And really? You think it's the tank's job to take the blame if other people screw up and they cannot or will not (in the case of purposeful screw ups) make up for it? Last I checked, obnoxious players were not a mechanic in any fight programmed in the game. They are not part of the "job". How a tank chooses to react to people being purposefully disruptive should not be factored into this argument.

Also, the WHM had Holy unlocked. She was level 50. As I've already said, the WHM not holying was more forgivable than the BRD not aoeing though.

How about entitled players stop being entitled? Lets not make this a DPS only thing, because I have run into just as many rude tanks and healers.

As have I. I play all three roles frequently and actually now main NIN. And I agree, no one should act entitled. For the purpose of this topic I am referring to DPS though.

And realistically, DPS are far more numerous than the other roles and typically less needed. I am aware of that, and act accordingly when playing a dps. I also sympathize with the plight that comes with that for DPS when I tank.