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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail View Post
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    But see, SE designed tanks to do pulls. They can take the most damage, they build the most aggro. Everyone had a say in this dungeon, and both sides proceeded to do as they wanted.

    Tanks being built in a way that makes them far best suited to initiate pulls strongly points to them being intended by SE to have the right to decide in the event of a deadlock.

    Does this right have enough sway to justify a tank outweighing the majority, No.

    But it shouldn't be hard to say, if you've got 3 people who will end up on the ground if they try to pull or at best end up causing chaos, vs one person who will not, then that one person should get to break the tie. SE designed it this way for a reason.

    It's not only a matter of common sense, but also one of design choice. And again, someone had to make the choice. We had a tie. Who was better built through functionality to make that choice than me? No one, for a reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Are you still seriously missing the irony of calling the dps entitled?
    They are entitled when I'm doing the job as intended by SE and they are attempting to force me not to via griefing, despite there being a tie.

    When they demand something of me, I offer compromise, and then they refuse it and demand again. Yet I am entitled?

    Me, as the person intended to do pulls by SE, choosing to do pulls as I want in the event of a tie, rather than give the other side what they want does not make me entitled, especially after being demanded and told pretty much "you are our slave" unless you consider the role itself entitled.

    If there is any "entitlement" here on my part, it's one given by SE.

    I mean sure, I could have gone along with the other side.

    What would that mean though?

    It would mean I gave up all of my rights.

    The only alternative to that would be to just not progress anymore in the dungeon due to the tie, which is what happened.

    Someone had to make the call. SE designed my role as the one best suited to make the call. And apparently, I'm entitled for being the one to make the call.

    Again, tanks were designed as the best suited to be the tiebreaker in this situation for a reason...


    Someone had to be given the completely neutral, unbiased "right" to be the tiebreaker. SE knew there would be uncompromising parties in dungeons, and simply how tanks are made is their solution.

    I'm saying my "right" in this situation comes my sheer role function vs the role function of a dps, not saying my personal rights are superior to the rights of dps. The dps who demanded I be their slave on the other hand...

    I've said that I go along with the flow when I'm a dps. I have the same views, even on the other side of the fence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
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    Again, you are saying that the dps is acting entitled by acting as the tie breaker, and now adding that SE declared that the tank is entitled to be the tie breaker. You continue to miss the irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    Again, you are saying that the dps is acting entitled by acting as the tie breaker, and now adding that SE declared that the tank is entitled to be the tie breaker. You continue to miss the irony.
    No irony missed, sorry! Do you honestly think a dps running ahead and pulling is just as okay as a tank doing it?

    Not rude, or off in any way?

    And no, I didn't say SE declared that. I said it was an implied right. This concept should have been learned in school, so I'll assume you know it's meaning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    No irony missed, sorry! Do you honestly think a dps running ahead and pulling is just as okay as a tank doing it?

    Not rude, or off in any way?

    And no, I didn't say SE declared that. I said it was an implied right. This concept should have been learned in school, so I'll assume you know it's meaning?
    So SE implied that tanks are entitled, therefore dps should not act like they are? You clearly are missing the irony.
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