Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Laesha]

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First, don't try and bait me with a loaded question. Your suggestion is enthymemic and sensationalized.

Nothing about what i said suggests that when i tank i don't take a careful look at: party composition, gear levels, each member's level in relation to the dungeon, the potential that someone is still relatively new (if not first run, then perhaps second or third [i can sometimes glean this based on pink/green dungeon equipment]), or any number of other factors when i decide how to proceed through the dungeon. 9/10 my decision represents a happy medium where everyone is mostly satisfied and i'm walking out w/ 2-3 coms (closing in on about 2500 now). I do my absolute best to ensure that the run is smooth and mutual goals are accomplished at a reasonable pace (reasonable depending entirely on the factors i previously mentioned :P).

What i won't do is sacrifice my interests, no, not even for 3 other group members. When compromise happens to deliver some of what everyone wants, everyone gets to be dissatisfied to the same degree. If they want to kick me and wait for another tank they are more than welcome to but i won't be putting up with any crap.

as i said, when i dps, i defer to the tank's decision making skills (even if they are lacking or only pursuing their own interests), and when i tank I expect the same level of deference.

[ClaireAbigail]

No, the whole "x can decide" needs to go. No one should be dictating how the party goes. Everyone should have a say on how the dungeons should go. Not the tank or the healer or the dps but everyone.

And for that, if you can't reach middle ground, leave the party and re que. You're a tank you should get back in in an instant, that would teach the dps. Instead you played the victim card and cried in the forums and the "entitled" dps. Seriously, how do you think the community here would react? Especially with a title like that.

[Teslo]

No, the whole "x can decide" needs to go. No one should be dictating how the party goes. Everyone should have a say on how the dungeons should go. Not the tank or the healer or the dps but everyone.

And for that, if you can't reach middle ground, leave the party and re que. You're a tank you should get back in in an instant, that would teach the dps. Instead you played the victim card and cried in the forums and the "entitled" dps. Seriously, how do you think the community here would react? Especially with a title like that.

Leaving will give you a 30 minute lockout and the party isn't going to boot you unless you act like an even bigger child by refusing to do anything at all, or being purposely insulting. I agree with the OP. I feel he handled the situation correctly and was not acting entitled when he did so. No, the tank is not the end-all decision maker. But in this case where the rest of the group can't make up their minds, the tank is the tiebreaker. Someone has to be. If the tank doesn't have a preference, pretend you didn't cast your vote, then there won't be a tie!

When I'm DPSing, I go with what the tank wants to do. If I don't like what they're doing, I bring it to their attention. If they don't stop, there's really nothing I can do about it. When I'm the tank, I take everyone's preferences into consideration and try to please the most people I can (2 out of 3 ain't bad). So no. It's not all up to the tank. But the tank is definitely the de-facto leader in the case of deadlocks.

[SummerSkye]

When I'm the tank, I take everyone's preferences into consideration and try to please the most people I can (2 out of 3 ain't bad). So no. It's not all up to the tank.

This is all we need to hear and see more of. Not "You have to wait 40 minutes for a queue so you are irrelevant" like that dumb ass said earlier.

[Teslo]

This is all we need to hear and see more of. Not "You have to wait 40 minutes for a queue so you are irrelevant" like that dumb ass said earlier.

It would be ideal if more people were like that, yeah... But that's not reality. :P Hell, I've had my bitch fits. I'm not immune. But usually it's at the tail end of something like a "Dungeon Atma" marathon where I just want to be done with the stupid thing already, have run the same instance 10 times already, and don't care that you want to kill seven extra mobs in this place. :P Normally I'm pretty chill, though.

[CUTS3R]

What is all this "Tank decides, rest follow" nonsense ?
If anything, roles "leading" the way are Tanks and Healers on an equal basis. When a Tank feels like doing mass pulls because he wants a fast clear, if the healer can't or don't want to do it that way, it'll likely be wipe. They both need to agree to speedrun beforehand.

I agree DPS have to shut up and deal with whatever pace has been set, though.


PS:Before you jump on me i play all roles regularly and apply what i just said to myself.

[KarmaCha]

It never ceases to amaze me how angry people get on these forums when they're told they don't get to decide how their experience is going to go every single time they run something. If you're a dps and you're pulling extra mobs to the tank, you're in the wrong. Period. If you are facing a group of 10 mobs and you aren't using AOE, you're hijacking people's time.

[Korbash]

When you're a tank you're the leader of the group and the dungeon. When you're a leader, you're not there to dictate but to serve the group's needs. Seems to me it's easy to check what levels the others are when you do any dungeon below LV 50, by inspecting them, and to see if they need XP or not. I was doing my low level dungeon duty roulette once on my LV 50 SMN, and the tank checked our gears and saw we were all LV 50 so we did the dungeon as fast as possible. I've seen too many tanks quitting for no reasons, being dramaking/queen, being such bad tank the healer quit, is not caring about what the group needs (XP) and avoid every mob possible during a dungeon. I always give recommendation to good tanks out there that are calm and patient, clear full dungeons, gives tips for fights, ask healer how they're doing, etc. And strangely, meeting bad tanks and good tanks have given me the desire to have a tank job (possibly a dark knight), a tank that is a good one that actually cares about what the group needs and to not act like a dictator.

[Sapphic]

When you're a tank you're the leader of the group and the dungeon. When you're a leader, you're not there to dictate but to serve the group's needs.

Everyone there is to "serve the groups needs" whether it's the healer keeping people alive, or the DPS doing enough damage to clear stuff without putting too much pressure on the healers (limited mana yo). Or to beat DPS checks. Which is why that when certain players "play how they want" and don't play with a party mindset or fail to meet those minimal performance checks things go down the toilet and nerves get frayed.

[The_Leon]

I'm going to be that guy and say...

Tank does not equal "leader"
Tank almost sets the pace

Healer does equal "leader"
Healer trumps tank in pace (USUALLY)

And if TWO people want xp it is a dick move
to ignore that, since more leveled people
will help with a stronger end game community


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Edited a typo