Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[SpookyGhost]

What is a tank's job? Their job is to keep aggro, initiate mob pulls, soak up damage from aggro'd mobs.

By letting DPS die because they pulled extra mobs, you (as a tank) aren't doing your job.

[XgungraveX]

By letting DPS die because they pulled extra mobs, you (as a tank) aren't doing your job.

dps shouldn't be pulling mobs and focusing the one that the tanks has....

[SpookyGhost]

dps shouldn't be pulling mobs and focusing the one that the tanks has....

Correct, however, if you don't pull the mobs off them and attempt to not die (by popping CDs (another part of your job)), then you're really not any better than the DPS. Ideally the tank dictates the pull order, but listening to your group will prevent things like what happened to the OP. Yes, the BRD didn't ask nicely, but he's probably asked nicely in the past and gotten shot down one too many times.

It's an unfortunate series of circumstance where the DPS really wanted EXP and had gotten tired of people refusing to help, the OP thinking "*looks down atop moral high-ground* I'LL TEACH THIS LOWLY DPS A LESSON FOR BEING A BIG MEANY!", and the healer/other DPS who sided with their friends. You also don't really need to AOE in any of the dungeons before DD, and you don't even need to AOE in DD when people pull 1 at a time, so in all likelyhood the OP forced him into a situation where he didn't know what to do and that just added more fuel to the fire. I'd say, perhaps, if you're going in DF don't pull the whole room and expect that to go well.

Anyway, aside from the OP, I was making a more general point about how your job as the tank works. As noted by the OP, you are there to hold aggro, not get the group cleaved, and soak damage "from aggro'd mobs". If a DPS decides to go off and aggro mobs, then you are responsible for picking those mobs up off them (this is a common occurrence in WoW, ninja pulling is something you get used to fairly quickly). If you then die despite your best efforts and your healer's best efforts, then you can yell at the DPS, but letting them die out of spite is kinda childish and kinda just makes you look like you're getting a bit too big for your britches.

[Magistrella]

By letting DPS die because they pulled extra mobs, you (as a tank) aren't doing your job.

Wrong, by letting them die i choose to be an idiot as they were for actually pulling mobs in the first place - end of story - i have the ranged attacks with added enmity, not the dps, you pull mobs that are out of my way - you die. Easy, isnt it?

To Topic - here's how it would have gone when i would've been the tank with a friend:

"no skipping anyhting" - "lol? Nope" - "Then the healer wont heal you" - "then i wont tank /sit - feel free to kick me in 5" - i get kicked in 5 minutes, my friend follows, they wait half an hour for a tank in the dungeon or decide to que new like me and my friend que new - problem solved, only 5 minutes wasted

And that's the end to that - if he wants exp he can make a PF group with first room farm dzemael and take his healer friend with him. If he joins the DF - not as tank - he will have to deal with pace and amount of mobs pulled by the tank. If the tank is good enough to look at exp/gear of group members and measure the pulls on that, that is a whole other story. But if you don't tank yourself and get shit from people for even the smallest mistakes, you will follow my pace and do your job - as will i as long as you don't piss me of - like with unfriendly demands right after i join.

P.S.: My Mains in order: BLM/PLD/NIN/SCH - so yeah, ill deal with any tanks that are out there and do as they please, because its faster and less nerve wrecking then demanding anything which can end up in the tank leaving and wasting my time waiting for a new tank or leaving and queing new.

Have a good day ('-')/

[Sapphic]

As a tank it is your job to deal with any given situation, including obnoxious players,

No-one should have to deal with obnoxious players, If I run a DF as tank and their are obnoxious players, they get kicked, or, I leave and they can obnoxiously tank themselves. Also you dont demand another player does something they may not want to do, you ask them like a human being, politely, They are not there as your personal slave.

But if they are doing something that is detrimental to the whole parties fun/progression. votekick.

Yes, people can play as they like, but so can others and if how they want to play is not with them, they are entitled to remove them from the party, as they are playing as they like, playing without that person.

[ValkyrieL]

A tank pulls period, don't come with some BS excuse that a dps can pull first if he wants/add extra mobs to a pull...I would had like dps to face pull on FCOB, and get destroyed by trash/dreds in secs.....or let dps face pull first room of aurun vale....see how that goes.

[Anarnee]

How about entitled players stop being entitled? Lets not make this a DPS only thing, because I have run into just as many rude tanks and healers.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

And this is why tanks will always be stereotyped.

[Anarnee]

It shouldn't be talked about as it being a solely DPS problem though, because it is as if you're saying it is a DPS only problem. The problem has nothing to do with the job or class of the player, it has to do with the player as an individual, and that is how it should be talked about, because otherwise you are targeting not only the rude DPS but the DPS who have nothing to do with the matter either.

[Verdan]

Two people who can't communicate like god damn human beings go and make each other angry? Why I never figured that'd be the case.

If someone says something in an instance and you don't want to do it, speak up and talk about it. How about "I'm just trying to do this quickly, man, mind if we blow through it?" Or... anything? Just talk like you know how to interact with another person instead of getting all huffy and writing a post on the forums?