Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[SummerSkye]

I think people understand what you are saying, and have sympathy for your situation. But I think people are against your idea that Tanks are the elite sole jurisdiction when it comes to making all the decisions that should be made by the whole party.

This. And before you insult me once again, by saying that I didn't read your post. I did read your post. The quote above is the issue 90% of this thread has with you. We understand the situation. It was a tie. The reason you come off as a hypocrite is this notion that as a tank, YOU have the job or the "entitlement" to determine how and how many MoBs get pulled. You do not in any form of a duty finder group. Your only "job" is to pull, position, control and keep aggro on said MoBs. Healers should heal...and DPS should not be pulling...we get that.

[ClaireAbigail]

I'm sorry op, you're not Haedelyns's gift to Eorzea. No one is. Instead of mediating with the dps you chose to thump your chest and tell them that you're the "leader" of the party and what you say goes. You should've compromised with the dps and find middle ground because for someone crying about entitled dps, you sound pretty entitled yourself.

[Adire]

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Let me ask you this then:

In the event of a tie with both sides refusing to budge, who has the most right to break the tie? Someone HAS to break the tie, or the dungeon will not progress.

SE's design of the tanking role seems to insinuate that they should have the final say in this matter.

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"no skipping anything" - said by the one dps upon the dungeon starting

"i only have one aoe, so thank you and goodbye" - said by the dps upon being asked to aoe the mobs he wanted exp from, after being asked by our side as a compromise

"if you don't pull extra mobs, i will and the healer will let you die"

Does this sound like a compromising attitude to you? The very first thing anyone said, as soon as the barrier went down at the start, was the first thing I quoted for you.

I chose, as the person assigned by SE as the one intended to pull mobs, and as the tiebreaker, and after being demanded (not asked) to do otherwise, to do my job as I saw fit. I am not claiming to be a god.

Yet another insulting sensational post

As amazing as your post looks to someone who disagrees with me, your post completely misses the point.

[AceHunterIce]

And people wonder why tanks are so commonly viewed as moody and why they're so rare >_>

I dont often play as a tank... but when i do... i get chewed out to hell and back by the whole party cause im a sucky tank even though im doing the tank job as best as i can.

[Laesha]

Absolutely agree w/ the OP.

When i que as a dps, I hang back and shut up and maximize my dps. I'd much rather get some than none. Even if the tank takes the most direct path through a dungeon, that's better than having the whole run turn out like crap or worse, the 30 minute que being a wash because the tank just leaves. I can ask for extra, but if the answer is no, the answer is no. I fully defer to the tank on what mobs will be pulled, and when i que as tank i expect the same level of deference. This is totally consistent across jobs (which seems to be the OP's case as well) which means any claims of hypocrisy are bunk.

The problem w/ this "dps can decide" nonsense is that if something doesn't agree with the tank, it's the dps players who are going to have a hard time, not the tank. If you kick the tank, they're most likely coming right back through and in-progress que. If you get kicked as dps, you are once again waiting a long long time to get back into a dungeon (most likely). If you pull extra mobs, the tank can easily let you die and keep moving on. You're easily replaceable. etc etc. etc. That's just the reality of our current class/player-base dynamic.

[SummerSkye]

Let me ask you this then:

In the event of a tie with both sides refusing to budge, who has the most right to break the tie?

I do not believe anyone in here is faulting you for making the decision as a GROUP MEMBER to pull the dungeon the way you wanted to to break a deadlock. That decision really doesn't come down to you because you are playing the tank. You were just the one to decide and you broke the tie. There isn't anything wrong with that. I feel that as a tank, you are obligated to ask the group how they want to proceed. If no one can come up with a consensus as a group, then...by all means, pull away.

I think we all agree that DPS should not be pulling, and healers should heal...but GENERALLY speaking, the group as a whole should dictate the way the dungeon is going to be ran, not the tank. Sorry that you had that experience.

[ClaireAbigail]

No, the whole "x can decide" needs to go. No one should be dictating how the party goes. Everyone should have a say on how the dungeons should go. Not the tank or the healer or the dps but everyone.

And for that, if you can't reach middle ground, leave the party and re que. You're a tank you should get back in in an instant, that would teach the dps. Instead you played the victim card and cried in the forums and the "entitled" dps. Seriously, how do you think the community here would react? Especially with a title like that.

[SummerSkye]

The problem w/ this "dps can decide" nonsense is that if something doesn't agree with the tank, it's the dps players who are going to have a hard time, not the tank. If you kick the tank, they're most likely coming right back through and in-progress que. If you get kicked as dps, you are once again waiting a long long time to get back into a dungeon (most likely). If you pull extra mobs, the tank can easily let you die and keep moving on.

See, this is why tanks just take off and start pulling shit without asking the group what they want to do. Regardless of how long queue times are, once you are in that dungeon, you are a TEAM. The fact that you can leave and get an instant queue does not make you any more important than the healer or the DPS that are there with you. No one is saying the "DPS" should decide shit...the GROUP should decide.

[StouterTaru]

Let me ask you this then:

In the event of a tie with both sides refusing to budge, who has the most right to break the tie? Someone HAS to break the tie, or the dungeon will not progress.

SE's design of the tanking role seems to insinuate that they should have the final say in this matter.

Are you still seriously missing the irony of calling the dps entitled?

[Laesha]

See, this is why tanks just take off and start pulling shit without asking the group what they want to do.

Yes, it is. And until the duty finder becomes flooded with tanks and dps are scarce, you just have to deal with it. I deal with it, so you can too.