Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[PEANUT]

.....because he wasn't the tank? A dps pulling mobs and a healer refusing to heal when they know it isn't their job to do that and ordering/forcing the tank to do as they want when it's the tank's job to pull mobs is pretty entitled, lol...O.o.

That would be like a WHM refusing to heal and ordering a SMN to heal because WHM can do better AoE damage...

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And are people still not understanding that this group was deadlocked in a tie?

There. was. no. majority.

That means run pacing is rightfully up to the tank, due to it being most related to their job.

Last I checked, it wasn't common practice or commonly accepted for dps to gather up mobs when there is a competent tank present...

I think people understand what you are saying, and have sympathy for your situation. But I think people are against your idea that Tanks are the elite sole jurisdiction when it comes to making all the decisions that should be made by the whole party.

[SummerSkye]

I think people understand what you are saying, and have sympathy for your situation. But I think people are against your idea that Tanks are the elite sole jurisdiction when it comes to making all the decisions that should be made by the whole party.

This. And before you insult me once again, by saying that I didn't read your post. I did read your post. The quote above is the issue 90% of this thread has with you. We understand the situation. It was a tie. The reason you come off as a hypocrite is this notion that as a tank, YOU have the job or the "entitlement" to determine how and how many MoBs get pulled. You do not in any form of a duty finder group. Your only "job" is to pull, position, control and keep aggro on said MoBs. Healers should heal...and DPS should not be pulling...we get that.

[Adire]

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Let me ask you this then:

In the event of a tie with both sides refusing to budge, who has the most right to break the tie? Someone HAS to break the tie, or the dungeon will not progress.

SE's design of the tanking role seems to insinuate that they should have the final say in this matter.

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"no skipping anything" - said by the one dps upon the dungeon starting

"i only have one aoe, so thank you and goodbye" - said by the dps upon being asked to aoe the mobs he wanted exp from, after being asked by our side as a compromise

"if you don't pull extra mobs, i will and the healer will let you die"

Does this sound like a compromising attitude to you? The very first thing anyone said, as soon as the barrier went down at the start, was the first thing I quoted for you.

I chose, as the person assigned by SE as the one intended to pull mobs, and as the tiebreaker, and after being demanded (not asked) to do otherwise, to do my job as I saw fit. I am not claiming to be a god.

Yet another insulting sensational post

As amazing as your post looks to someone who disagrees with me, your post completely misses the point.

[SummerSkye]

Let me ask you this then:

In the event of a tie with both sides refusing to budge, who has the most right to break the tie?

I do not believe anyone in here is faulting you for making the decision as a GROUP MEMBER to pull the dungeon the way you wanted to to break a deadlock. That decision really doesn't come down to you because you are playing the tank. You were just the one to decide and you broke the tie. There isn't anything wrong with that. I feel that as a tank, you are obligated to ask the group how they want to proceed. If no one can come up with a consensus as a group, then...by all means, pull away.

I think we all agree that DPS should not be pulling, and healers should heal...but GENERALLY speaking, the group as a whole should dictate the way the dungeon is going to be ran, not the tank. Sorry that you had that experience.

[StouterTaru]

Let me ask you this then:

In the event of a tie with both sides refusing to budge, who has the most right to break the tie? Someone HAS to break the tie, or the dungeon will not progress.

SE's design of the tanking role seems to insinuate that they should have the final say in this matter.

Are you still seriously missing the irony of calling the dps entitled?

[Adire]

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But see, SE designed tanks to do pulls. They can take the most damage, they build the most aggro. Everyone had a say in this dungeon, and both sides proceeded to do as they wanted.

Tanks being built in a way that makes them far best suited to initiate pulls strongly points to them being intended by SE to have the right to decide in the event of a deadlock.

Does this right have enough sway to justify a tank outweighing the majority, No.

But it shouldn't be hard to say, if you've got 3 people who will end up on the ground if they try to pull or at best end up causing chaos, vs one person who will not, then that one person should get to break the tie. SE designed it this way for a reason.

It's not only a matter of common sense, but also one of design choice. And again, someone had to make the choice. We had a tie. Who was better built through functionality to make that choice than me? No one, for a reason.

Are you still seriously missing the irony of calling the dps entitled?

They are entitled when I'm doing the job as intended by SE and they are attempting to force me not to via griefing, despite there being a tie.

When they demand something of me, I offer compromise, and then they refuse it and demand again. Yet I am entitled?

Me, as the person intended to do pulls by SE, choosing to do pulls as I want in the event of a tie, rather than give the other side what they want does not make me entitled, especially after being demanded and told pretty much "you are our slave" unless you consider the role itself entitled.

If there is any "entitlement" here on my part, it's one given by SE.

I mean sure, I could have gone along with the other side.

What would that mean though?

It would mean I gave up all of my rights.

The only alternative to that would be to just not progress anymore in the dungeon due to the tie, which is what happened.

Someone had to make the call. SE designed my role as the one best suited to make the call. And apparently, I'm entitled for being the one to make the call.

Again, tanks were designed as the best suited to be the tiebreaker in this situation for a reason...


Someone had to be given the completely neutral, unbiased "right" to be the tiebreaker. SE knew there would be uncompromising parties in dungeons, and simply how tanks are made is their solution.

I'm saying my "right" in this situation comes my sheer role function vs the role function of a dps, not saying my personal rights are superior to the rights of dps. The dps who demanded I be their slave on the other hand...

I've said that I go along with the flow when I'm a dps. I have the same views, even on the other side of the fence.

[StouterTaru]

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Again, you are saying that the dps is acting entitled by acting as the tie breaker, and now adding that SE declared that the tank is entitled to be the tie breaker. You continue to miss the irony.

[Adire]

Again, you are saying that the dps is acting entitled by acting as the tie breaker, and now adding that SE declared that the tank is entitled to be the tie breaker. You continue to miss the irony.

No irony missed, sorry! Do you honestly think a dps running ahead and pulling is just as okay as a tank doing it?

Not rude, or off in any way?

And no, I didn't say SE declared that. I said it was an implied right. This concept should have been learned in school, so I'll assume you know it's meaning?