gutted

[Aeyis]

Yeah, but freeing up space wouldn't be an issue if space wasn't limited. I played Lotro man, and having that house payment tie us down and eventually have us lose the house we loved and decorated wasn't a fun time. People spent a ton of time getting enough money to get those houses, losing them would blow for those dudes. It's better for everyone if they open up additional space rather than have people lose the houses they cared about when they played.

Which apparently they cared about enough to not visit them for 9 months.
I know a decent amount of people with a house that don't really use it. They only got because it ''was a thing to have a house'', and apparently from what I hear there are lot of plots bought on the larger servers that aren't used either.

They need to add instance housing that scales properly

Instanced housing sounds great. For those that only want to use their house as a personal base.
For someone that really loves having a house, complete with garden and neighbourhood I can see that being a real put off.

@Mageblack. I wrote a rather lengthy reply but got hit by the posting limit, so I'll give a short one instead.

I can't answer that. If it follows the same system of ''all servers have the same amount of plots'' then it seems like it will be the same situation as it is now. Not enough plots on the larger servers, empty wards on the smaller servers.

Is the only relevant point I had in my earlier post. I believe it desires more attention then you gave it. (which was less then all the other points in my post)

And no, a house is not worth all that BS,

It could be. Not saying it should be, but for some a house really is worth going through all that trouble.
But yes, paying cash to transfer is not a good solution. However,
the ''transfer of gil is limited'' is a bad argument in support of your argumentation because it is easily debased.
In short, it kind of undermines the rest of your argumentation.

You had been commenting in the other thread and I felt that most of what has been said and brought up before had already "addressed" the things you brought up. I also felt that it was going to be a little pointless to waste all this time replying when the points I made can be dismissed so flippantly.

Don't bring ''other threads'' into a discussion unless you link the relevant posts. It serves no purpose otherwise. (except to needlessly make an argument personal)

EDIT: and as i figured, this whole post was wasted effort.

K

Posting a troll reply image with a sarcastic ''K'' might not be the best way to imply that you in the process of creating a larger post in reply.

[Bluevann]

Instanced housing sounds great. For those that only want to use their house as a personal base.
For someone that really loves having a house, complete with garden and neighbourhood I can see that being a real put off.

A suggestion I've been suggesting for a while, but that I doubt will be considered since it'd require a general overhaul of the housing system:


Step 1) Make instanced housing. This allows everyone to have a house, especially if instead of gil it asks for GC points or Main Scenario progress like for most of other games. I'm thinking of an instance similar to the Demon Doors in the Fable games, with house, yard with field, well and whatever. It would start with small, and will be able to be expanded through further accomplishments.



Step 2) Make the housing wards, limited as they are now (since they don't have the servers do add more currently). For a fee (like the current fees we have now), you'll be able to move your instanced house inside the ward. So for example, 4M to move your instanced Small Hut into a Mist Small Plot. Of course, the price will raise with your instanced house's size, and you'll need to select a plot your house can fit in.

This way, all those who want a house can have a house, and all those who actually care to have a neighborhood (and will use it), can have a neighborhood. Houses for all, and no more ghost towns.

[Verdan]

9 months may seem like a long time, but it really isn't. I left this game for a bit over a year and came back, and that's nothing compared to how long I left, say, DDO. Things happen, people move on, and they sometimes come back. They'll want a house if they had it, and it's an incentive for them to come back to the game and play again if their house stays. If their house disappears, they'll be less likely to come back.
This would hardly be an issue if plots weren't insanely limited. There are 1440 total plots in the game. Right now, there's 6,545 people playing the jumbo cactpot. These numbers don't work together.

[Krr]

It's completely bizarre how the developers continue to allocate more housing space to ghost town servers while Balmung, Excalibur, et al scream for more on a daily basis.

How in the world does this happen? This is economic resource distribution 101.

ps take a drink for everyone who says it's to 'encourage transfers' to ghost town servers, disregarding that it'd cost over $100 to move an entire FC to a server with a plot

[Bishop81]

Instanced housing sounds great. For those that only want to use their house as a personal base.
For someone that really loves having a house, complete with garden and neighbourhood I can see that being a real put off.

They can instance the plot of land instead of just the house. We can then have our garden - hopefully without a lousy 20 item level.

The neighbourhood thing is beyond SE's capabilities. That's why I suggested neighbourhoods be converted into rented town areas - for use a stores (redundant given the MB; but I'm sure SE can dream up some reason to have a store) or FC guild halls (people can sign up or put up a petition like guild halls in fiction; agains SE has to set this up).

[tocsin]

It's completely bizarre how the developers continue to allocate more housing space to ghost town servers while Balmung, Excalibur, et al scream for more on a daily basis.

How in the world does this happen? This is economic resource distribution 101.

ps take a drink for everyone who says it's to 'encourage transfers' to ghost town servers, disregarding that it'd cost over $100 to move an entire FC to a server with a plot

ill be the first one you need to take a drink over.

Remember, that $100 is over multiple people, splitting the cost. anyone who doesn't find housing to be worth $18, can feel free to stay on the old server. maybe you might, I don't know, make new friends on the new server?

and as far as "Ghost town" servers, we also DO have housing limits. all large plots in Mist, and all but a single plot in Lavender Beds is currently taken on Jenova, which used to be one of the smallest servers. we just have a tighter knit community, and therefore complain less than the larger servers.

[Krr]

ill be the first one you need to take a drink over.

h/o, mixing my rum & coke irl

ok done.

i had a much longer post about this but basically, "jenova is out of plots too" is an even better counterargument to the absurdity of telling someone (or several someones) to spend $20-$500 to move to a server, potentially abandon statics, wreck raiding progress, etc just to get a freaking house, because not even that nuclear last resort works any more

[Mikhaill]

That's not what I said. People simply need to be be patient(or move to a low pop. server, I suppose). Also it's hard to feel sorry for some people when they're aggressive and/or accuse house owners of this and that out of jealously. ;P

The people should not have to pay $18 to get a in-game home that should of available for everyone from the start. I think people have been patient enough. Hasn't housing been talked about for some time? So I can understand people being upset. I wonder why they went this approach though. Seems like a rushed job. I'm sure it'll be tally-ho when or IF they release homes in Ishgard or anywhere...Just hope this time around it's not horribly planned like this one was
and a lot more people can snag a home.

[Luvbunny]

Why can they just steal FFXI housing system... everyone in FFXI has a free room you can decorate, and do gardening inside. As well as free access to your own private little island where you can do much more, for FREE...

[Whatever]

Yeah. I think we all seen the guy who is relatively new. No crafts to 50 who has millions. Claims he "plays the market." I believe SE should give us an instant sell option in which the house goes back on the market, player gets back 2/3 of the purchase cost minus the construction costs and/or an option to auction open houses, furnished or unfurnished. This would be a good incentive to liquidate your house, open up real estate, create a new gil sink, and perhaps create a stronger market for furniture. just my two gil..