It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Havenchild]

Are you completely unaware of what people in this thread have been asking for that I have to explain it to you? I'm sorry if you're this many pages deep and you don't even understand the kind of trade goods they have been arguing on about for pages then that's on you. I'm not going to be a book report.

This entire thread is RMT and Inflation sans maybe a few people who mentioned subscriptions taking a hit because of this.

I've talked about how this subscription model would affect Inflation.

I've talked about how RMT does not directly equal P2W as most people seem to believe as well as expanded on how RMT is in this game already but SE is NOT getting anything anything for it. I've argued this same point in the promise bracelet debate and will continue to do so. Onto that point I've elaborated on how P2W in this game is a very big misconception.

Nothing I've said is a strawman as it is all related. The only strawman here is you trying to find one, to devalue others opinions.

Go read the dev comment if you want, they never said people would be banned for it. Like I said in the post that you quoted, they specifically stated that if people continue to do it they will look into an alternative solution.

They know it was their mistake, but they also know that not many people are going to buy a $20 bracelet and sell it for 1.2 mil when RMT is selling 10 mil for the same price. There is hardly anybody selling them now that hype has died and they sell incredibly slow, hence the 1.2 million gil price. Nobody gets banned for buying gil from RMT either, that doesn't mean it's ok for you to do it.

You are 100% correct they did say this. What I got from Intaki's post was sarcasm. He's basically saying RMT is being allowed to be a legitimate practice in essence of not being punishable. I've known several Gold Buyers on my small time server alone who have bought several millions in gold to buy runs for the content. They do not get banned. These are known players in the community. I'm very sure this situation is not very different on other servers. Those people who sell runs constantly? They know who the Gold Buyers are and they all see those same people daily most of the time.

[Elleoille]

I'm all for some "official way" for people to purchase in game currency If it gets rid of the constant spam from gold farmers.

[Magis]

I'm all for some "official way" for people to purchase in game currency If it gets rid of the constant spam from gold farmers.

Guess what? It won't. Still saw em in EVE last time I played and they invented PLEX.

[Intaki]

Guess what? It won't. Still saw em in EVE last time I played and they invented PLEX.

Sure you did. Just not on anything approaching the same scale as you might here or in WoW.

RMT may exist in EVE, but I know from firsthand experience that it's pretty horrifically neutered there.

I think real money should never under any circumstances be allowed to effect the in game economy.

And as you've already been told, it already does. Not even the wedding bands, but the extra retainers too. Heck, I'd say even the dyes count as well.

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

[Tiggy]

And as you've already been told, it already does. Not even the wedding bands, but the extra retainers too. Heck, I'd say even the dyes count as well.

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

Did you seriously completely ignore the quote from the moderator above? Seriously? Do you normally ignore posts inconvenient to your point? I'm not entertaining you as long as you continue to ignore what people are saying.

SE allows players to buy wedding bands and sell them for gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy extra retainers which are leveraged for an increased capacity to generate gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy dyes and charge gil for their use on other players' equipment; yes or no?

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

Don't really care about your questions since you're blatantly ignoring this quote to justify even asking them. Also Bayohne's post here clearly show that they DO care. So please, keep ignoring the post that's inconveient to your story. I'm sure it will continue to put you into a strong bargaining position. Lol.

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

You're acting like willful ignorance is ok solely because they haven't acted. It isn't. This whole point is a straw man to begin with and is a complete distraction from any real discussion about a plex like system. I'm done with you.

[Intaki]

Did you seriously completely ignore the quote from the moderator above? Seriously? Do you normally ignore posts inconvenient to your point? I'm not entertaining you as long as you continue to ignore what people are saying.

SE allows players to buy wedding bands and sell them for gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy extra retainers which are leveraged for an increased capacity to generate gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy dyes and charge gil for their use on other players' equipment; yes or no?

Your concession is noted. I'm glad you finally realized how wrong you are and are stepping out of the conversation.

[MageBlack]

Sure you did. Just not on anything approaching the same scale as you might here or in WoW.

RMT may exist in EVE, but I know from firsthand experience that it's pretty horrifically neutered there.

I think that is more due to popularity and age making the cost/benefit for mass RMT attention kinda low. but it is still played by some dedicated players so they are still present. I doubt they're less active because of anything Eve did. WoW is hugly popular, even to this day so their presence there is highly beneficial to the growth of the RMT buisness. FFXIV is new and gaining in popularity, they also wouldnt be here if they werent making money.

Why is the blame always put on the company for the existance of RMT's in the first place? That's like saying "She got rapes cause of the skirt she was wearing, she was askin for it!" had she took better measures to prevent it it wouldnt have happened. Why are we not blaming the RMT's and the people buying it? Well, maybe you are, i don't know. Regardless the PLEX system will not be a glory fix for this like others suggest.

And as you've already been told, it already does. Not even the wedding bands, but the extra retainers too. Heck, I'd say even the dyes count as well.

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

Quote Originally Posted by Bayohne View Post
As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

That quote was earlier on in the page. So, by your own admission, there are already ways for players to "legit" buy gill (in this twisted round about way) so why add yet another way to do this? The ways its works currently are not supposed to do this and if the trend continues, they will change it. it is NOT their intent, so why would you think they will put a system that DOES this into the game intentionally.

Honestly, i don't really care either way. Gil is almost useless in the game anyway, all the higher tier stuff is U/U and earned through Marks/Tombs/etc the only real big thing that it might effect is housing, which is a disaster in and of itself. Other than that, what can you buy with gil that is of any significance?

[Havenchild]

Why is the blame always put on the company for the existance of RMT's in the first place? That's like saying "She got rapes cause of the skirt she was wearing, she was askin for it!" had she took better measures to prevent it it wouldnt have happened. Why are we not blaming the RMT's and the people buying it? Well, maybe you are, i don't know.

Because this falls on the publisher to safeguard against. RMT can be challenged by an active task force which can heavily impact RMT transactions. RMT can actually become near nonexistent with an active task force. Many private servers of different MMOs for example, have tackled this problem by heavy bans concerning these transactions. If private servers can do it, with scrubs from around the world pitching in, how can a money backed corporation who can hire staff for it, not be able to contend against this threat?

Idk what accounts they are baning in those monthly announcements but they sure haven't banned any of the gold buyers I know. They are most likely baning simply the accounts that are doing the actual tells. Common sense would tell you this is not solving anything, as no gil seller, is likely advertising with an account all the gil is actually on. They need to monitor closely trade transactions amongst players, especially those who are reported and suspected of gil buying.

When RMT do not find your game profitable they do disappear. You know it's taking affect when the RMT tells dwindle and the price of what a dollar is worth goes way up.

[MomomiMomi]

Honestly, i don't really care either way. Gil is almost useless in the game anyway, all the higher tier stuff is U/U and earned through Marks/Tombs/etc the only real big thing that it might effect is housing, which is a disaster in and of itself. Other than that, what can you buy with gil that is of any significance?

Nothing. There is nothing for me to really buy with my gil. So I personally would like to see this added.

[CGMidlander]

Honestly, i don't really care either way. Gil is almost useless in the game anyway, all the higher tier stuff is U/U and earned through Marks/Tombs/etc the only real big thing that it might effect is housing, which is a disaster in and of itself. Other than that, what can you buy with gil that is of any significance?

Have you ever tried to pentameld accessories with Grade 4 materia? I assure you, it's not cheap.