It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[Tiggy]

And as you've already been told, it already does. Not even the wedding bands, but the extra retainers too. Heck, I'd say even the dyes count as well.

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

Did you seriously completely ignore the quote from the moderator above? Seriously? Do you normally ignore posts inconvenient to your point? I'm not entertaining you as long as you continue to ignore what people are saying.

SE allows players to buy wedding bands and sell them for gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy extra retainers which are leveraged for an increased capacity to generate gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy dyes and charge gil for their use on other players' equipment; yes or no?

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

Don't really care about your questions since you're blatantly ignoring this quote to justify even asking them. Also Bayohne's post here clearly show that they DO care. So please, keep ignoring the post that's inconveient to your story. I'm sure it will continue to put you into a strong bargaining position. Lol.

As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

You're acting like willful ignorance is ok solely because they haven't acted. It isn't. This whole point is a straw man to begin with and is a complete distraction from any real discussion about a plex like system. I'm done with you.

[Intaki]

Did you seriously completely ignore the quote from the moderator above? Seriously? Do you normally ignore posts inconvenient to your point? I'm not entertaining you as long as you continue to ignore what people are saying.

SE allows players to buy wedding bands and sell them for gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy extra retainers which are leveraged for an increased capacity to generate gil; yes or no?

SE allows players to buy dyes and charge gil for their use on other players' equipment; yes or no?

Your concession is noted. I'm glad you finally realized how wrong you are and are stepping out of the conversation.

[Duuude007]

SE knows it's happening and allows it to happen with zero repercussions or any plan to change the situation in the future. That tells me pretty much everything I need to know about their intent.

Um, no. lol.

RMT and other illicit activities upset the balance of the game and, as such, are prohibited under the Terms of Service.

Because we have confirmed the existence of players who are engaging in these illicit activities, we have taken the actions listed below.

Time Period: Feb. 26, 2015 to Mar. 4, 2015
- Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT advertising: 463
- Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT/illicit activity: 2,182
- Action Details: Permanent ban from FINAL FANTASY XIV

- Accounts receiving disciplinary action for participation in RMT/illegal activity: 17
- Action Details: Temporary ban from FINAL FANTASY XIV

Players who discover any confirmed cheats should, under no circumstances, exploit or disseminate such information. Instead, we ask that players file a report by using the in-game command [System Menu] -> [Support & Information] -> [Contact Us] -> [Report Cheating].

We will continue to take stringent disciplinary action against any accounts with confirmed involvement in RMT/illicit activity; players should take care to steer clear of any activity that violates the Terms of Service.

They said that people should not participate in this form of real money trade, and if continued to be exploited as such, they would make game adjustments, likely to prevent trading the wrist items at all. (and that would be a serious bummer to those who have traditional ways to express affection. Thanks to RMT if it happens.)

After that warning, anyone who does can be accurately considered participating in "RMT or other illicit activities".

A bannable offense.

But nice try implying that people are being granted permission simply because they are told not to do it. That is incredible logic there.

[Tiggy]

They said that people should not participate in this form of real money trade, and if continued to be exploited as such, they would make game adjustments, likely to prevent trading the wrist items at all.
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Someone already said that, but he likes to ignore inconvenient posts.

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Last post of the day since I'm out of posts.

The utensils to have money are already in place in mass, why is this ultimately an argument because others refuse to take advantage of these utensils?

The problem is those have limits on how fast the money can be obtained. Throwing real money at tokens to trade in game is on a considerably different pace and creates a different type of economy.

[Havenchild]

I believe the misconception is yours to assume I've been arguing from a solely anti p2w situation. I think real money should never under any circumstances be allowed to effect the in game economy. Period. (This includes wedding bracelets. They should be made untradable or specifically gift-able from the purchase screen) My problem isn't with p2w specifically, although it isn't unrelated to the conversation especially depending on how square would implement it. So if that was your point then it shouldn't be directed at me at all.

To your point however there were many posts near the earlier parts of this thread specifically using buying in game houses as a by product of these tokens. Something that is currently very pricey, and rare. If a user used tokens to get tons of money so that he was ready to buy a new house the day new houses were added he would then get one where someone who saved the old fashioned way wouldn't because they took longer to save up. That token allowed him to have the money quickly in order to buy the house over another legit user who didn't pay money for tokens. That IS a form of p2w and someone DID bring it up in this thread. So while it's not my primary argument please don't assume tokens have no p2w aspects to it. The p2w aspects come completely from users using the gil gained from rmt tokens to do something before someone who didn't spend the real money on tokens could. It doesn't matter what the item is. If a patch drops and new crafting items appear those tokens could give a player so much extra cash from trades that he can now tackle the new crafts and gain a dominate market position. Solely due the money gained from token trades. More p2w. It's not that hard to see where p2w fits into this picture.

Perhaps there is a misunderstanding. You jumped into a comment I was making regarding P2W in regards to gearing not RMT, hence it lead you to sounding like that was solely your standpoint.
I've been arguing about the gearing outcome specifically which people keep claiming is this "P2W".

As for your comment, you can control the market for only so long, until others inherently catch up to you (usually on the first day), then the undercut war begins. You had a headstart, yes. Did it break the economy? No it did not, and it almost never does. Supply and Demand are the only forces that are in control here. It doesn't take RMT for someone to emerge first in the market it just takes competence, patience, and eagerness to be up at the time of patch.

As for housing, your point is valid, with the supply of those being diminished by those who can achieve gil gains faster via this service. At the same time, players can easily achieve high amounts of money already by either playing the markets or if you are not willing to do so, selling runs through trials/content. The utensils to have money are already in place in mass, why is this ultimately an argument because others refuse to take advantage of these utensils?

[Magis]

Someone already said that, but he likes to ignore inconvenient posts.

No, no but you see if nothing is done it obviously means that this is what they aaaaactually want lol. Even though they flat out say they don't want players doing it.

I'm not even mad anymore, this is too funny lol.

Using the same line of thinking, gil buying is actually good and SE actually wants you to cause you didn't get banned.

[MageBlack]

Sure you did. Just not on anything approaching the same scale as you might here or in WoW.

RMT may exist in EVE, but I know from firsthand experience that it's pretty horrifically neutered there.

I think that is more due to popularity and age making the cost/benefit for mass RMT attention kinda low. but it is still played by some dedicated players so they are still present. I doubt they're less active because of anything Eve did. WoW is hugly popular, even to this day so their presence there is highly beneficial to the growth of the RMT buisness. FFXIV is new and gaining in popularity, they also wouldnt be here if they werent making money.

Why is the blame always put on the company for the existance of RMT's in the first place? That's like saying "She got rapes cause of the skirt she was wearing, she was askin for it!" had she took better measures to prevent it it wouldnt have happened. Why are we not blaming the RMT's and the people buying it? Well, maybe you are, i don't know. Regardless the PLEX system will not be a glory fix for this like others suggest.

And as you've already been told, it already does. Not even the wedding bands, but the extra retainers too. Heck, I'd say even the dyes count as well.

SE does not share your concern, and that's something you just need to learn to deal with.

Quote Originally Posted by Bayohne View Post
As you know, the promise wristlets were designed to be tradable so that one person would be able to purchase a pair of wristlets and gift one to their partner.

While the trading and selling of these items for gil is not against the terms of service, in the event this type of trend continues and topics continue to arise regarding whether or not this is considered real-money trading, we will have no choice but to change the design of this system. Therefore we would like players to stop selling and trading the bracelets for gil so that they can continue to be used for their intended purpose.

That quote was earlier on in the page. So, by your own admission, there are already ways for players to "legit" buy gill (in this twisted round about way) so why add yet another way to do this? The ways its works currently are not supposed to do this and if the trend continues, they will change it. it is NOT their intent, so why would you think they will put a system that DOES this into the game intentionally.

Honestly, i don't really care either way. Gil is almost useless in the game anyway, all the higher tier stuff is U/U and earned through Marks/Tombs/etc the only real big thing that it might effect is housing, which is a disaster in and of itself. Other than that, what can you buy with gil that is of any significance?

[Intaki]

After that warning, anyone who does can be accurately considered participating in "RMT or other illicit activities".

Incorrect. SE themselves confirmed that the sale of wedding bands was entirely within the existing rules of the game. I'm sure you would like them to follow up and CHANGE those rules, but they haven't and they have shown no signs of actually being willing to take that step.

Gil is almost useless in the game anyway

Indeed. And wouldn't it be nice if you could turn that useless gil into an entire month's subscription?

[Gramul]

Let's just see how well it works for Blizzard first.

[Havenchild]

Why is the blame always put on the company for the existance of RMT's in the first place? That's like saying "She got rapes cause of the skirt she was wearing, she was askin for it!" had she took better measures to prevent it it wouldnt have happened. Why are we not blaming the RMT's and the people buying it? Well, maybe you are, i don't know.

Because this falls on the publisher to safeguard against. RMT can be challenged by an active task force which can heavily impact RMT transactions. RMT can actually become near nonexistent with an active task force. Many private servers of different MMOs for example, have tackled this problem by heavy bans concerning these transactions. If private servers can do it, with scrubs from around the world pitching in, how can a money backed corporation who can hire staff for it, not be able to contend against this threat?

Idk what accounts they are baning in those monthly announcements but they sure haven't banned any of the gold buyers I know. They are most likely baning simply the accounts that are doing the actual tells. Common sense would tell you this is not solving anything, as no gil seller, is likely advertising with an account all the gil is actually on. They need to monitor closely trade transactions amongst players, especially those who are reported and suspected of gil buying.

When RMT do not find your game profitable they do disappear. You know it's taking affect when the RMT tells dwindle and the price of what a dollar is worth goes way up.