It's time to reevaluate the idea of adding a PLEX/Chronoscroll-like system to FFXIV

[AlexionSkylark]

What do I know though, I've only been playing MMORPGs for the last 15 years.

15 here here also, began with Ultima Online WAAAAY back in the distant year of 1999. So you don't have the "my stick is bigger than yours" card.

Anyhow, I continue making the question that nobody answers: WHY is it so wrong? How does other people's rewards affect YOUR playing? Will a PLEX somehow remove your ability to run Coil?

Just because the bragging rights are worth less? This is just selfishness and elitism. "mommy, I'm not exclusive anymore".

[Magis]

Actually... even though it's not expressly stated, we DO have PLEX now. They are called Time Cards, cost $30 and the codes are easily traded via /tell. "But that's a tangible thing and people could easily scam you." This is true of PLEX trading. Especially if done through a contract (i.e. player to player trading). You also have people 'monetizing' the wedding rings, last I heard the $20 ring was going for around 2-3 million gil.

Actually this falls under RMT rules and can get you banned. You are not allowed to trade anything be it cash or external items for in game gil. Someone asked a GM if they could sell IRL art for gil in game and the GM's said it would be concidered RMT. So your example is just more RMT.

[DoctorPepper]

15 here here also, began with Ultima Online WAAAAY back in the distant year of 1999. So you don't have the "my stick is bigger than yours" card.

Anyhow, I continue making the question that nobody answers: WHY is it so wrong? How does other people's rewards affect YOUR playing.
Just because the bragging rights are worth less? This is just selfishness and elitism. "mommy, I'm not exclusive anymore".

lol I just answered your question based on my own opinion, it's not my fault you want to ignore it and pretend I didn't answer it. I told you why I think it's wrong and I find it amusing that you quoted the last sentence of my post rather than the factual information I posted before it.

I also never said my stick is bigger than yours, I said that I have 15 years of experience in order to emphasize that I have experience on the subject we're talking about. If you want to take it as an insult, ignore my entire post, and then get defensive trying to insult me like a child then go ahead. I'm at work and this thread is amusing me so have at it.

[AlexionSkylark]

You didn't answer me. You just said "I believe this is pay to win".

My question is "what if it is, what is so wrong about it?"

[Chasely]

You didn't answer me. You just said "I believe this is pay to win".

My question is "what if it is, what is so wrong about it?"

Besides the majority of players not wanting it?

[Havenchild]

Never did. Simply refuting your ridiculous assertion that somehow the fact people did in 110 makes this not p2w. Nothing you just said in this response justifies it either. Just because a few people can do it in 110 does not justify your assertion. The minority does not dictate the whole.

If the people in this thread insist that some sort of over arching advantage is given to the people who are capable of purchasing crafted gear in terms of completing content, I will arrive at the point with examples we all know exist, that is not true.

Everyone is capable of doing the same content without crafted gear, using this argument is really a crybaby mentality and that's all it ever will be. Many groups were already on T12 the first week with mostly soldiery gear (that's only about 4 peices of loot. Were we the elites? NOPE just competent players with good raid awareness. Those that were on T13 first week? Those were your elites and they did have crafted.

You are correct, the minority shouldn't dictate the whole and yet it still does. (IE: Balance changes are tweaked around coil, not general gameplay through dungeons.)

However the minority that can actually benefit from crafted gear exclusively because it helps them push past what the current gearing can give them? Those people have no affect on you, no matter how much you try to say so.

Unless you are competing in the World First environment, someone else buying crafted gear never affected you.

Besides the majority of the complaining to complain forum players not wanting it?

Fixed.

Forumers are the minority actually.

[AlexionSkylark]

Besides the majority of players not wanting it?

Actually it seems the community is very divided on the issue.

[DoctorPepper]

You didn't answer me. You just said "I believe this is pay to win".

My question is "what if it is, what is so wrong about it?"

Read between the lines bud, I don't think it's right that people can buy the best things in the game with real money. Did you really need me to spell it out for you?

Something doesn't have to effect you personally for you to think that it's wrong, for example there are a number of historical events that happened way before my time which never effected me personally however I still feel they were wrong. If you think that something has to effect you personally in order for it to be wrong then who is really being selfish here?

Honestly this system would not effect me at all, I have lots of money both in real life and in the game. If anything I would get some free sub time. It would however put people with less money in real life or in the game at a disadvantage compared to people who have a lot of it. That's why I care and that's why I think it's wrong.

[AlexionSkylark]

Well, you are the one trying to dictate how other people must play their game.
Now, for the sake of what, I ask?

I don't think it's right that people can buy the best things in the game with real money.

I know that, you made that clear. The matter of it is that "feeling" of yours just serves to mantain the exclusivety status of the few who can invest a multitude of hours per week, so they and only they have access to some of the content of the game.

Now, as much as you feel that paying for gil is not right, I don't feel it is right to deny people content of a game they like and pay for based on how much time they are able to invest on it.

[Magis]

Actually it seems the community is very divided on the issue.

Not really? Maybe on the PLEX issue (and if "likes" meant anything, my counter argument has almost double the OPs post, so not in that case either), but definitely not on pay 2 win games. The outcry against it was huge when the cash shop was brought in, and continued on with EB rings. Oh, let's not forget Yoshi himself saying NO PAY TO WIN with a big X with his arms, so if we take his word, lol you'll never see it anyway. Even with EB, the GMs said the free gil people got was a mistake.

Well, you are the one trying to dictate how other people must play their game.

No one is dictating shit, you are the one that is trying to change the game from how it stands now. Everyone else is saying that it's excellent as is.