Level 50 Dungeon Level Syncs

[Kosmos992k]

It may be the case that the content can be blown through, but you can not use that against me as if I'm making a personally mockery of the dungeon. You're taking that interpretation too far and assigning the results to individuals. That's wrong.

I still find it funny that I even offered an optional mode that does exactly what is wanted in this thread, but everyone's all up in arms because I didn't 100% agree with the suggestion.

I'm not up in arms over anything. I'm replying to your posts as you write them.

Since the game already explicitly uses ilvl and level sync in dungeons, that should in fact be the default mode for all content to preserve game balance. If you wish to have an optional 'God' mode where your gear and skills are untouched by level sync' that would more correctly be an option since it deviates from the already existing level sync principles used in the game. However much like the proposed optional story mode for Coil that removes the difficulty, and the rewards, 'God mode' should not come with equal rewards.

You just want everyone to be forced to play one way.

Actually, no, I want game balance restored. How you choose to play the game is not relevant to me. How the game itself is balanced and structured is much more relevant.

[Tiggy]

You just want everyone to be forced to play one way for your own reason.

No amount of level sync will make that content relevant again. Much of it is over a year old. All this would do is make people run high level roulette less often effectively drying out the queue because those players don't want to do obsolete dungeons that take that long to run. This would actually hurt new players more than help them.

[Aerowaffle]

You just want everyone to be forced to play one way for your own reason.

No amount of level sync will make that content relevant again. Much of it is over a year old. All this would do is make people run high level roulette less often drying out the queue because they don't want to do obsolete dungeons that take that long to run.

For new people to the game, all content is relevant because it's new to them.

Speed running new players through a dungeon has the potential to have two very real negative effects.

Although the dungeon was cleared, the new player didn't learn anything nor did they improve their skills. This lack of improvement could just be in the bounds of understanding that particular dungeon, or it could be how to play their class as a whole at max level.

Secondly (and more importantly since this is a game), it's not very enjoyable for the new player. People want to feel like they're contributing to the fight, and nothing makes you feel more irrelevant then being tugged along in a speed-run of a dungeon that you've never done.

Edit:
How about some sort of middle-ground solution.
iLvl sync everyone to the lowest iLvl person up to a reasonable iLvl (iLvl requirement for the dungeon +15). So if someone that barely fufiles the requirement to the dungeon, everyone else would be the requirement + 15 as the max. Then increase the reward for the dungeon proportional to the iLvl sync for that run.

This way, groups with a high iLvl can speed run if they desire, and groups with fresh 50s can actually experience the dungeon and still reward everyone more for their troubles.

[Allistar]

I personally think the whole ilvl is a waste until endgame, and since we're no where close to endgame I think all our current gear should reflect accordingly. The glut of gear and the lvl 50 dungeons have become useless with the way hunts are done, and with the level cap increase...so why bother with ilvl at all. The cap will increase again I'm sure...and will continue to increase.

[Tiggy]

Edit:
How about some sort of middle-ground solution.
iLvl sync everyone to the lowest iLvl person up to a reasonable iLvl (iLvl requirement for the dungeon +15). So if someone that barely fufiles the requirement to the dungeon, everyone else would be the requirement + 15 as the max. Then increase the reward for the dungeon proportional to the iLvl sync for that run.

This way, groups with a high iLvl can speed run if they desire, and groups with fresh 50s can actually experience the dungeon and still reward everyone more for their troubles.

That sounds quite reasonable. It serves the goal of putting the whole thing into 1 solution so it's easier on the devs and platform to support, and should solve the problem seen in the OP. I could get behind this idea easily. Maybe even an optional button on the quest bar similar to fates where they can choose to isync up if they wish?

I appreciate you meeting in the middle. Everyone has view points. The trick is to find a solution that can make as many happy as possible. Not to prove why people's opinions are wrong. I love your idea.

[Aerowaffle]

That sounds quite reasonable. It serves the goal of putting the whole thing into 1 solution so it's easier on the devs and platform to support, and should solve the problem seen in the OP. I could get behind this idea easily. Maybe even an optional button on the quest bar similar to fates where they can choose to isync up if they wish?

I appreciate you meeting in the middle. Everyone has view points. The trick is to find a solution that can make as many happy as possible. Not to prove why people's opinions are wrong. I love your idea.

The issue I would see with such a solution, is that it's fairly complex. Nowhere in the game has there been an instance of iLvl syncing based off of other players, only the content.

[Tiggy]

The issue I would see with such a solution, is that it's fairly complex. Nowhere in the game has there been an instance of iLvl syncing based off of other players, only the content.

Yeah it would require a variation to the system. They could simplify it by doing perhaps just a +10 or +15 over the requirement level scaling down in tiers. So like AK original since it's lower level could be +Ilvl req +15. (Sorry dont have the actual numbers with me right now.) The later dungeons with higher ilevel would be +5 or so over the req. In this mode it's more of a setting per dungeon scaled to lift that specific dungeon up the correct amount. Newer players would still be a little weaker but not by nearly as much.

[allecs]

Snip.

So because YOU can't learn your class properly and would prefer joining random groups of people not knowing how to play YOUR role and rub YOUR badness on other people. That means I'm self serving and no one can learn that way.

OH the irony!!

The open world CAN be used to learn your class. Join a party, grab mobs, get to practicing. Heck, people practice their rotation on the striking dummies.

[Vitaly]

I just want to run through the dungeon like a rambo and clear it within the shortest time possible lol

[Kosmos992k]

Yeah it would require a variation to the system. They could simplify it by doing perhaps just a +10 or +15 over the requirement level scaling down in tiers. So like AK original since it's lower level could be +Ilvl req +15. (Sorry dont have the actual numbers with me right now.) The later dungeons with higher ilevel would be +5 or so over the req. In this mode it's more of a setting per dungeon scaled to lift that specific dungeon up the correct amount. Newer players would still be a little weaker but not by nearly as much.

Careful Tiggy, we are in danger of agreeing....

(posted lots earlier in this thread)

I definitely think a scaleable ilvl sync needs to be applied from WP onwards to maintain the relevance of the content.