Level 50 Dungeon Level Syncs

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Currently many of the level 50 dungeons we have are synced down to an item level cap of 110, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong). This includes even the earliest level 50 dungeons: Wanderer's Palace and Amdapor Keep. Even with this level sync cap the dungeons are generally incredibly easy due to the majority of players being vastly over geared for the dungeons.

If the ilvl sync was made closer to the intended range of ilvls it would be beneficial for newer players doing the duty for the first time since the other three party members won't be incredibly overpowered for the fights ahead (i.e. closer to their own ilvl. I've had dungeons where I had more HP than the tank as a healer). It would also make the dungeons more challenging than they have become due to the overpowered nature of our gear in comparison to the intended item level range the dungeon was built around.

However, doing so would also make the dungeons last longer and possibly make it hard to skip phases and mechanics of fights. So it would be detrimental to speed runners trying to get through as quick as possible with their i100+ gear. Grinding dungeons can be tedious, especially if you run it multiple times within a relatively short time span (days? hours?).

But, on the other hand, syncing down more could arguably make the content more fun and engaging again since we wouldn't be severely overpowering everything in the dungeons as much as we already do.

And of course people don't want their gear to be synced down. Understandably so. I don't want my i117 WHM to be synced down at all when doing level 50 content. However, I do think even ilvl 110 is much too high for the old dungeon content, what more if the sync is removed and everyone is i130 doing the original WP and AK.

TL;DR Essentially I'm curious what people think about the item level sync currently placed in certain level 50 dungeons (WP, AK, Pharos, Brayflox HM, etc.). Do you think it should be adjusted further? Left alone? Or do you think it should be removed outright?

[Elusana_Celah]

While I agree it would be nice for all the reasons you've mentioned above, I kinda think that if, every time you ran a level 50 dungeon, it was always a 'struggle' so-to-speak, it would tire out level 50 players who are sick of running the same content over and over again and would discourage them from queueing for these roulettes in the first place.

[Damane]

While I agree it would be nice for all the reasons you've mentioned above, I kinda think that if, every time you ran a level 50 dungeon, it was always a 'struggle' so-to-speak, it would tire out level 50 players who are sick of running the same content over and over again and would discourage them from queueing for these roulettes in the first place.

this pretty much sums it up, if they make them by any means more tedious and slow them down, might as well just throw them out the window. after the 39203920392. time in any of the dungeons you just want to get through with them.

[AiChyan]

I did WP & HMHM yesterday for the first since level-sync was introduced and we still managed to finish them in record times (even with fresh 50s). There was frankly zero challenge to anyone including the new people, not that any of us minded that xD

[hallena]

I think both level and item level sync should be optional. As patches goes my character is getting stronger. If i want to solo run and wreck everything in a lvl 20 dungeon or speedrun WP normal run with friends, stop trying to stop me.

[Cynthis]

I think both level and item level sync should be optional. As patches goes my character is getting stronger. If i want to solo run and wreck everything in a lvl 20 dungeon or speedrun WP normal run with friends, stop trying to stop me.

Completely agree. I still haven't been able to clear Odin since I preferred to do the main story after the patch when all the good players on the data center got the clear. I can't wait until I am level 80 and can crush him in under a minute so SE better not levelsync him or the EX primals I am missing or at least make it optional.

[AskaRay]

Pretty much anything to continue to make speedrunners mad; sometimes it seems like I'm the only one who appreciates dungeon design (I'm aware this isn't true but. Hey.)


Real answer: I don't mind the level sync. I mean, in under-fifty dungeons I always get a little sad I can't use all my skills, but whatever, you never could anyway so. Fine. In post-fifty dungeons? I barely notice.

Yeah, I get it, you have more important things to do than run baby dungeons that are below you, and you don't want to spend two hours doing something you've done a million times... well... the wold doesn't revolve around speedrunners. Calm down.

[Elusana_Celah]

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I'm cool with speedruns but I've had a tank take off like a race just started as soon as the dungeon 'begins' not even letting me cast protect and when I was like wtf, he told me to cast protect while he's pulling and stfu. So I didn't heal him and just DPSd 100% so he died... then he said I suck and 'wtf???" I'm like, "I thought you were in a hurry so I was trying to speed up dps." He told me I suck ass again and ragequit out after a vote to kick me failed (at least I thought that's what he tried) lol. I laughed. My peeve is not allowing me to buff and then being a douche about it. I don't care if it's Garuda hard mode I'm buffing you. Anyone who ran off without getting a protect on them gets no heal from me... sadly in the 8 man groups the other healers still heal meh.

[AskaRay]

I'm cool with speedruns but I've had a tank take off like a race just started as soon as the dungeon 'begins' not even letting me cast protect and when I was like wtf, he told me to cast protect while he's pulling and stfu. So I didn't heal him and just DPSd 100% so he died... then he said I suck and 'wtf???" I'm like, "I thought you were in a hurry so I was trying to speed up dps." He told me I suck ass again and ragequit out after a vote to kick me failed (at least I thought that's what he tried) lol. I laughed.

Maaaan I wish I could do that whenever I heal, I just feel so bad letting them die.... though it would show them that maybe they could wait like, three seconds.

[SlyRoyale]

Speedrunner tanks who don't wait for buffs are idiotic assholes.

Players need to learn not to be impatient. Even when I speedrun dungeons on my tank, I make sure that everyone else is ready especially the healer. Otherwise, the attempts are going to be flops. A good tank communicates with their party, letting their group know what pulls they plan to do, but more importantly ask if they are prepared for it too. This communication has served me well when speedrunning Dzemael Darkhold, "Mythflox Speedstop," and the Wanderer's Palace (Hard). A tank who doesn't bother with that and fails to keep composure is asking for a wipe and will usually be responsible for the majority of them. If the tank makes sure that the party is ready but the healer can't keep up it's on the healer. If the mobs in the pull don't die quick enough and the tank and healer are exhausted, that is on the DPS.

But anyway, iLv. syncs do reinstate the challenge that was once lost to overgearing, but the limit is still too high to make it feel that way. On the other hand, I love to push my limits and see what I can do, or get away with, when (grossly) overgeared which provides another aspect of fun for me. Both sides of having or abolishing a level sync have convincing arguments so it is hard to pick one over the other. If you ask me, I feel that players have the option to challenge themselves but in order to do that you must have a group of like-minded players who share those thoughts. Otherwise, do what the Romans do when in Rome.

I can understand why the item level syncs are put in place, as the Duty Finder can pair up players with a glaring disparity of gear. On the other hand, even geared players do not know how to play their roles to their full effectiveness so the item level sync is mostly to control players who know what they're doing over the terribads who mash buttons and keybinds expecting things they want to achieve happen. I have no strong feelings one way or the other about the item level sync we currently have.