The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Krr]

The fact is, neither of you know enough raiders to make the claim that all or even the majority of them are bad people. Your entire generalization is based off of the party finder and random people in DF groups which is only a small fraction of the people who play this game.

Except I have personal experience (over 3-4 years) with people who identify themselves as 'HC Raiders', personal experience in this game looking for FCs and statics before finally founding my own group, and personal experience reading and hearing what my friends who still do HC-level raiding have to say about the scene. There are problems with how we organize raids, problems with what we demand to see in our games ('to help promote the health of raiding'), and there are problems with the mindset with which we approach pick-up players.

Does that make a statement on every single raider as an individual? Hell naw. But it makes a statement on the social norms that at this point, are pretty much baked into raiding, which become an issue when the majority of players who reach 50 only have HC raiding as their main skill-based activity.

[DoctorPepper]

Except I have personal experience (over 3-4 years) with people who identify themselves as 'HC Raiders', personal experience in this game looking for FCs and statics before finally founding my own group, and personal experience reading and hearing what my friends who still do HC-level raiding have to say about the scene. There are problems with how we organize raids, problems with what we demand to see in our games ('to help promote the health of raiding'), and there are problems with the mindset with which we approach pick-up players.

Does that make a statement on every single raider as an individual? Hell naw. But it makes a statement on the social norms that at this point, are pretty much baked into raiding, which become an issue when the majority of players who reach 50 only have HC raiding as their main skill-based activity.

I can't really speak for your personal experience, I'm just saying that generalizations are typically wrong. People who have bad experiences are typically influenced/affected by those experiences more than when they have good experiences and are therefore more vocal about them. Look at the media for example, there's a reason the news is all about the bad things, it's because nobody really seems to care about the good things going on. Happy people are quiet people in most cases.

It's unfortunate that you had some bad experiences but the fact remains that this game has an average of about 50000-100000 players per server and I doubt you've met even 0.05% of the ones on yours. Generalizations are typically based on little to no evidence, a handful of bad people doesn't make everybody bad.

Going back to your original question, why is it wrong to hate raiders. It's wrong for the same reasons that it's wrong to hate casuals. I've met plenty of casual players who are total assholes but I'm not going to blackball all the casuals I don't even know because of it.

[Dwill]

Except I have personal experience (over 3-4 years) with people who identify themselves as 'HC Raiders', personal experience in this game looking for FCs and statics before finally founding my own group, and personal experience reading and hearing what my friends who still do HC-level raiding have to say about the scene. There are problems with how we organize raids, problems with what we demand to see in our games ('to help promote the health of raiding'), and there are problems with the mindset with which we approach pick-up players.

Does that make a statement on every single raider as an individual? Hell naw. But it makes a statement on the social norms that at this point, are pretty much baked into raiding, which become an issue when the majority of players who reach 50 only have HC raiding as their main skill-based activity.

And I have experience over 14-15 years of MMO that is literally the contrary of yours. Funny how that works.