The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Krr]

It's the generalization that all raiders are the same rude, obnoxious people that bothers people. If you want to use that type of argument then people could easily flip it around and ask what's wrong with hating new players who don't know the mechanics of the fight. Same shit, different side of the coin.

The only generalization I've seen is that raiders are unhelpful and exclusory. Which is true. Open up your local PF and get a wake-up call as to what "Raiding" is like outside of your small FC group.

[Dwill]

The only generalization I've seen is that raiders are unhelpful and exclusory. Which is true. Open up your local PF and get a wake-up call as to what "Raiding" is like outside of your small FC group.

Maybe not ALL of them, but the vast majority... well... they are.

And on what data do you based these assumptions upon ? Anecdotal evidences and forum people cherry picking their experiences ? If so, then your statements are worthless and you're both just doing a generalization which makes you worse than these people you seem to dislike.

[Aana]

The only generalization I've seen is that raiders are unhelpful and exclusory. Which is true. Open up your local PF and get a wake-up call as to what "Raiding" is like outside of your small FC group.

Protip: good raiders aren't making pfs. The shit you see in PF is usually wannabes that think they are hot stuff but got kicked out of their groups for being terrible. Otherwise those 'farming' pfs wouldn't wipe for hours if they were actually good raiders.

Good raiders don't make groups in pf. This is why casuals don't get what we have said 1000 times. PF is not the way raiding works. Good raiders are pulling from their network they build to create groups and find people. Not broadcasting in df shouts and pf. All these ideas you get about the raiding community from PF comments like no newbs and clear sells are NOT representative of raiders because we don't use those to raid. Network. Connect. Stop relying on PF and make friends. When I make a primal run I go through my fc, ls, and friend list. I don't make a stupid pf. You don't see what real Raiders are doing because it's silent. Stop reading pf lines and judging an entire community based on it.

[NyarukoW]

Protip: good raiders aren't making pfs. The shit you see in PF is usually wannabes that think they are hot stuff but got kicked out of their groups for being terrible. Otherwise those 'farming' pfs wouldn't wipe for hours if they were actually good raiders...

Yet those people treat newer players like they have ebola and want a "no newbies allowed" checkbox.

Network. Connect...
You don't see what real Raiders are doing because it's silent.

Well isn't that a funny one. How do you network and connect with people who are silent? How do you break into that secret of club so silent gestures and hidden signals? I suppose it is a secret society that is not likely to accept newcomers, i.e. exclusive.

[Dwill]

Yet those people treat newer players like they have ebola and want a "no newbies allowed" checkbox.

Yet you treat raiders like the same and want them to help anyone and everyone. The hypocritical attitude is strong in you.

[NyarukoW]

Yet you treat raiders like the same and want them to help anyone and everyone. The hypocritical attitude is strong in you.

Asking raiders to extend a hand when they can is not hating them. The player base needs their help if and when they can extend it. And I always express my thanks for their assistance. There is no hypocritical attitude. I am asking people to try to be inclusive if they can. I don't avoid raiders and certainly do NOT consider them as ebola carriers. You are so eager to call me names that you come up with the goofiest non-sequitors.

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So your argument is that raiders are selfish inconsiderate people because ..they do not put up learning groups in pf and teach the casuals how to do the fight.

That is such a strawman. The raiders if they feel like can put up learning parties, but that is not what they need for certain and would be beyond the bounds of reasonable expectations. What they can do is if they see a learning pf, and if they have time, perhaps they can help for 30 minutes or so. Don't rage quit and yell at people when they tire of the wipes. But certainly raiders should not behave like clear sellers who obviously have the time since they are selling clears like 24/7 with advertising on the PF, and don't bother to join a learning PF that is there and being ignored by the clear seller.

[Dwill]

Asking raiders to extend a hand when they can is not hating them. The player base needs their help if and when they can extend it. And I always express my thanks for their assistance. There is no hypocritical attitude. I am asking people to try to be inclusive if they can. I don't avoid raiders and certainly do NOT consider them as ebola carriers. You are so eager to call me names that you come up with the goofiest non-sequitors.

Except that plenty of raiders do the exact things you mention yet your tune doesn't change. You make a hyperbole of the whole situation and ignore any argument proving you wrong.

[Aana]

Yet those people treat newer players like they have ebola and want a "no newbies allowed" checkbox.



Well isn't that a funny one. How do you network and connect with people who are silent? How do you break into that secret of club so silent gestures and hidden signals? I suppose it is a secret society that is not likely to accept newcomers, i.e. exclusive.

You really can't read. In the exact post you quoted I said good raiders don't use PF and you respond with thkse people asking for no newb checkboxes?

How do you connect? How do you make friends? Seriously? Let's say I just moved to a new city. I don't know anyone. How do I make friends and connect with people? Do I put up an add on Craigs list "looking for friend to hang out with". Do I call random phone #s with my area code and ask if they want to be my friend? Do you go to the bowling alley by yourself and just look sad hoping one of those other groups of already connected people will take pity on you and invite you over? Then get indigent wheb they dont? No.

You connect with people in game the same way you do outside the game because they are people behind the screens. If you don't have any friends in RL it's not because people aren't being inclusive enough and sitting by yourself hoping some group of friends will randomly knock on your door and invite you into their circle is rediculous. You have to go out and meet people in a human way. Not just put up adds on Craigs list...error party finder. It's party finder not friend finder.

Go. Connect. With. People.