Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[Gucci_Charms]

I find it ridiculous when people say they have "no time" to beat Coil. You have/had 7 months to beat each coil set. The groups that have successfully beaten these coil sets are those who were willing to put in the time, make a lot of mistakes wiping, and continuously improving their gameplay to down the content.

Being proactive gets you far. Being reactive by waiting several months later for Yoshi P and his team to create a Fisher Price version and whining on the forum that end-game content is too hard does not get you far. That time bad players use waiting and complaining on these forums that hardcore end-game raiders aren't helping them could be used to actually learn the end-game coil content instead.

Nerfing content and adding echo buff doesn't actually do bad players a favor either. It really just gives them the illusion that they're good players without realizing where their faults are and how they can improve on them in the long run.

In before NyarukoW post his rant that I supposedly hate new players and so forth:

I'm all for helping new or bad players when needed. If they're not willing to improve their game to down content on their own, however, that's a whole different story.

[NyarukoW]

... It was never, ever, about how fast or easy it eventually became. ...

You don't get the point. The point is about how thing eventually become. You do NOT want to newer players or newbies blocked on stuff forever. So you adjust content difficulty be it crafting, raids, or whatever else so it becomes accessible over time. This SE being really smart about the whole thing. People whine about stuff on the forums all the time, but SE has their own plan and they tune things based on the data they have.

I find it ridiculous when people say they have "no time" to beat Coil. You have/had 7 months to beat each coil set. ...

Ridiculous why? People don't have the time that is fact. SE knows this fact their data bears that out. 7 months is NOT enough time, and certainly not enough for the newbie that liked the trial and gets the new subscription tomorrow, or the legacy player that played for 1 months and for whatever reason had to be away for a year, or people that chose to focus on other aspects and now wants to jump in with final coil. You don't get to dictate how they play. SE knows that. And they want to make things inclusive and accessible, with the new content (a.ka. final coil) being the new big goal for raiders.

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The game learning curve must be maintained to a hard enough degree.

That curve is maintained by new content. Old content being more accessible does not alter that fact.

[Tiggy]

The point is about how thing eventually become.

That wasn't the point SHE was trying to make. Which is why you missed HER point.

Key word Tone down how they implement that will be of course the echo buff also other mechanic on the side tone down and adjust as they deem fit just as they did with all the older content and the newer content untouched until next patch or expansion for the hardcore crowds.

Seriously. Punctuation.

Anyway I'm out of posts for the day. Peace out all.

[VahnValbosce]

I post good posts.

I agree. And to add on what you said above, it's honestly just hardcore complainers that want content nerfed for them to the extreme. Probably the same people that complained about FFXI becoming too much for them to handle, they wanted everything nerfed. The sad thing about that, is they got their wish in FFXI with Abyssea, where everything was basically spoon fed to them, and they rejoiced for a short while, but then the game quickly crashed and died, and FFXI is so lackluster now its embarrassing.

They basically will soon be asking that ALL content become solo'able and if in a group, will require next to no mechanical coordination. Why??? Because they want the storyline and they want to feel cool and awesome and rob every other raider who enjoys CHALLENGING CONTENT and a sense of ACCOMPLISHMENT. They then also FALSELY PROCLAIM that 99% of the community consists of players who are stuck on Turn 5 and if they manage to pass Turn 5 somehow miraculously, then they have no chance in hell in clearing Turn 6 and beyond.

WHICH IN REALITY, it's more like 15% of the playerbase that put ZERO time and ZERO progression at anything, or are busy doing CRAFTING and expect from CRAFTING to be able to CLEAR COIL while they CRAFT and do OTHER THINGS in game. But they come on here, make the other 85% of the community who HAVE BEEN clearing coil and who HAVE BEEN working on RAIDING, they basically call us all a bunch of BULLIES for clearing things that they haven't WORKED ON and continue to call us ELITISTS simply because we work on clearing a RAID. They probably think we wipe ZERO times and learn ALL THE FIGHTS within 30 seconds, since they have no idea that it's a VIDEO GAME with /GASP: ACTUAL GAMEPLAY MECHANICS?! WHAT?!?!?!

Basically what they are saying is that, They DONT want a fun game with awesome gameplay, they want their content that they want, on demand, now and to hell with the rest of the community of actual gamers that enjoy PLAYING an Actual Video Game.

[NyarukoW]

Who know who complained about what in FFXI. I wasn't there and it is irrelevant, this is FFXIV ARR.

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They basically will soon be asking that ALL content become solo'able and if in a group, will require next to no mechanical coordination.

That is so delusional. The posts that is asking for this gets shouted down the instant they show up. People want an MMO and not an online solo game. And that is why there is consistent support for level sync at low level dungeons even with skills locked, despite the wishes of speed runners to solo stuff like totorak.

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WHICH IN REALITY, ... 15% ... 85% ...they basically call us all a bunch of BULLIES ...call us ELITISTS ...

I don't know which universe you are in and where you get your numbers. But those are completely bogus, and nobody is calling you any of names until you start excluding them, verbally abuse them, and forcing them to skip cutscene, and force them to watch videos. People new to coils, new to raids, are simply happy to be in a party and to practice and wipe.

..They probably think we wipe ZERO times and learn ALL THE FIGHTS within 30 seconds..[/B]

This more false exaggeration. The newer players and newbies want to earn their clear as much as anyone else, they just want a chance to be in a party to do it. The scheduling, meeting up with new people, coordinating to form a static etc. these are the harder logistics challenges that they need to overcome to do any of this content and earn a clear, and in someways that challenge is actually harder than the content itself.

Basically what they are saying is that, They DONT want a fun game with awesome gameplay, they want their content that they want, on demand, now and to hell with the rest of the community of actual gamers that enjoy PLAYING an Actual Video Game.

They in this case is really the typical speed runner/farmer mentality. They just want people at their beck and call and take everyone else for granted. This is not how newer players or newbies think. The newbies don't even likely know enough to think about things on those terms. Heck many of them are discovering how to use the PF on T5 and usually are too shy to start their own PF party.

SE has schedule for releases and SE knows to keep the bleeding edge raider happy they need to release new content at a reasonable pace, but to avoid blocking newer players, they make the older content more accessible. There is no need to be upset about the SCOB being replace by final coil. Is just like soldiery replacing myth and whatever else replacing soldiery. The more it changes the more it stays the same.

[VahnValbosce]

The newer players and newbies want to earn their clear as much as anyone else, they just want a chance to be in a party to do it.

Not even going to bother arguing with you.

This has NOTHING to do with how "new players" can't get a clear for Turn 5 coil, because they are being excluded from groups due to so-called "elitist jerks" which MOST of you think that the Majority of this games population consists of.

This Entire Thread, has EVERYTHING to do with people wanting Raid Nerfs to come because "Coil is too hard for me, so lets Nerf it plz"

If you cannot understand that then I'm not sure why you're even posting in this thread...? I'll repeat, it is not a game mechanic problem that someone is a JERK and excludes a "new player with 100 myth bonus" from a Party Finder Group. That is a community problem, a social problem, whatever you want to call it, but maybe just MAYBE that can be fixed if everyone worked together and did their part and were less Passive Aggressive toward eachother (THIS WOULD HELP ALOT) then maybe this topic wouldn't have come up in the first place.

[odintius]

Not even going to bother arguing with you.

This has NOTHING to do with how "new players" can't get a clear for Turn 5 coil, because they are being excluded from groups due to so-called "elitist jerks" which MOST of you think that the Majority of this games population consists of.

This Entire Thread, has EVERYTHING to do with people wanting Raid Nerfs to come because "Coil is too hard for me, so lets Nerf it plz".

That what the topic has devovled to over the course of pages neither side have all the facts we over simplify the topic pointing out single thing to benifit either point of views ignoring the other point of view even though it more complicated that wraping it around that one single opinion. It come down to what gamer want most enough people are just asking a normal type fight while other side like it as it is.

Your going to have the same challege pretty much after each patch/expansion while the other play on a normal version and have the type of fun they want that simple really. Honsetly we wouldn't be having this discussion if this was a single player game were it have those modes alrdy in place Yoshi is treating this as another title of final fantasy so their will be those that just like to play it on what setting they want really that what I get from people asking for this really.

[NyarukoW]

Not even going to bother arguing with you.

I pretty sure you are not going to keep your word. How many times have you said you are done with this thread?

This has NOTHING to do with how "new players" can't get a clear for Turn 5 coil, because they are being excluded from groups due to so-called "elitist jerks" which MOST of you think that the Majority of this games population consists of.

Really?

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No, if you haven't cleared turn 5 by now, you're bad. ...

Yet you have posts like these. And in game I see plenty of PFs asking for T5 cleared before. Well darn how is the newer player going to get a clear? And this is T5 with echo, and they can't tolerate a dozen of wipes, whereas without echo you'd need 10 dozen wipes.

This Entire Thread, has EVERYTHING to do with people wanting Raid Nerfs to come because "Coil is too hard for me, so lets Nerf it plz"

That your false interpretation and repsentation of the matter. SE will make the content more accessible because it better for the newer players and the experienced a like when people put in the effort and get a clear after one dozen wipes instead of 10 dozen wipes. That is really how far SE is moving the bar, really.


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...[*]7 months is plenty of time. If you're complaining you have no time, then you're clearly playing the wrong game. MMORPGs are timesinks.
rest of post is just pointless rants...

Obviously SE disagrees with your assessment. They are happy with players that subscribe but doesn't occupy their servers 100% of the time, and SE will facilitate their access to newer content and not spoon feeding them.

[VahnValbosce]

This has NOTHING to do with how "new players" can't get a clear for Turn 5 coil, because they are being excluded from groups due to so-called "elitist jerks" which MOST of you think that the Majority of this games population consists of.

Really?

Yea, Really.

You're trying to say that the solution to these so called "Elitist Jerks" is to Nerf the entire Raid so that nobody will fight with eachother anymore? Instead of people trying to improve themselves and god-forbid work on something to achieve their goal, let's all just create content for the lowest common denominator???

You really think people are going to want to step into a raid, take 10 minutes out of the entire week to figure out an entire raid that is a snoozefest??? Do you really think people are going to pay a $10-$14 subscription for that kind of lazily made content that people are disinterested in, after only a few days??? Please Answer these questions, if you can at all.

SE will make the content more accessible because it better for the newer players and the experienced a like when people put in the effort and get a clear after one dozen wipes instead of 10 dozen wipes. That is really how far SE is moving the bar, really.

Oh you think so? I will be here to fight you on that topic every step of the way. And if by chance FFXIV does get nerfed into a care-bear kindergarten level, then mark my words: that will dig the grave AND put the final nail in the coffin all at the same time, for this entire game. And I'll be right back here, with a big fat "I Told You So" so goodluck to you.

[Atomnium]

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Man I know your feeling but don't waste your breath over that "NyarukoW", it's not worth your times
Also, according to his/her posting history, it's clearly obvious to describe the personality of the subject :

- Is a new player and never touched at 1.0 or even put a step before into mmorpg with serious raids contents.
- Think to be more altruistic than everyone else and call every elite players "elitists and toxic over the community".
- Is a partisan of the instant gratification system and want to balance everything ingame so that even someone in a brain dead coma can be rewarded.
- Have no idea of the styles of past old school Final Fantasy series.
- White Knight.
- Fan of Naruto.

Well, to make it short, let it talk and ignore it