Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[Divine_Intervention]

Am I one of the only people that DON'T want a nerf , not for the reasons listed, but for this:

I enjoy second coil. It is still a challenge to me. And although I will look forward to Final Coil, I am sad about the fact that Second Coil is going to be nerfed to a point of no more challenge, and I won't have time to beat it while it's still a challenge to me. *See no static/fc comments*

[stephenjd3]

No, I do not want a nerf either, I wish they waited till 2.5 to do a nerf.

[saeedaisspecial]

If fights like T6 aren't considered hard enough, where Bouquet is casted as a bee is smacking you, patches are on the ground, and you have people vined (watch out, next one's going to be a flower), what would make the fight hard enough to be considered "satisfyingly difficult?"

Chains should be broken before Bouquet even comes out, briars aren't really an issue because they're easy to run around.
All you have to worry about is the bee dealing damage to the person it's targeting, and even then it's only minimal autoattack damage.

Nothing you described is hard at all.

[Violyre]

There is one thing I don't understand though...why is it just instantly 30%? Why doesn't it work like trials, where you start with nothing and it gradually raises in increments if you die to a boss (and only a boss) if you last three minutes? As soon as the boss goes down in multi-boss dungeons, remove that buff.

Would that do anything to quell the issue people have?

[SolarMisae]

Why do you want to nerf literally the ONLY DAMN content that is directed toward endgame players that is fun/challenging for us? There are so many other fights and things in this game perfectly accessible to casual people. (IE like...everything in the game besides 2nd/savage coil)

"But you guys are getting 3rd coil soon!"

Great...you guys will have the whole game and we'll have...4 boss fights. To people like me, I remember loving the original coil because it was fun and challenging, but now that it's be nerfed to high heaven it's not content I enjoy anymore because it's been made so trivial with echo and nerfs to mechanics. It didn't need a nerf, because gear progression alone would have made it trivial enough without the 30% echo buff and eased mechanics. I don't want to see 2nd coil go the same way and once again be left signing on a couple times a week for the only raid we end game players have, while wishing there were other content in the game that were still fun and challenging.

I'm sorry but if you can't even clear T5 with echo and i100 - 110 gear then you definitely don't need the drops from 2nd coil for any purpose other than to wear it as a trophy. This was why I liked the idea of adding "storymode" versions of all the coil fights that allows everyone to witness the story aspect of it while also not having to hit content with a nerf bat.

[Hyrist]

If you think I'm being a jerk about these comments, then what can I tell you? YOU are the jerk for wanting to ruin other peoples challenging and fun experiences by having things nerfed.

Actually, I'm not. And I can tell you're not paying attention.

In every post I have made, I have explicitly stated that I am in support of preserving the difficulty of Coil in a separate path for those who exclusively wish to face the challenge, while providing an adjusted route that gradually eases for players who are seeking story progression.

You are the one so blinded by your bias that you're failing basic reading comprehension. I am seeking a middle-of-the-road compromise while you are seeking an absolute. An absolute, by the way, you will never obtain from the developers.

Instead of making accusations of people who are actually seeking to accommodate a wider variety of players, perhaps you should analyze your approach to gaming and their communities.

'm sorry but if you can't even clear T5 with echo and i100 - 110 gear then you definitely don't need the drops from 2nd coil for any purpose other than to wear it as a trophy. This was why I liked the idea of adding "storymode" versions of all the coil fights that allows everyone to witness the story aspect of it while also not having to hit content with a nerf bat.

I'd rather they keep the rewards current for the adjusted coil, and then provide something more specific to those who are achieving it through more difficult means. By the time those who are lagging behind are getting second Coil Gear it will be obsolete verses the currently accessible Tomestone gear anyways. Pretty much the only reason people would obtain the gear would be for vanity, and those who are looking for prestige gear will be obtaining items from Third Coil anyways.

So rather than have the loot excluded out of Story Mode, I would feel they should add some achievement-based rewards out of say... Savage Coil. More than titles, perhaps?

[Welsper59]

Why do you want to nerf literally the ONLY DAMN content that is directed toward endgame players that is fun/challenging for us? There are so many other fights and things in this game perfectly accessible to casual people. (IE like...everything in the game besides 2nd/savage coil)

"But you guys are getting 3rd coil soon!"

Great...you guys will have the whole game and we'll have...4 boss fights. To people like me, I remember loving the original coil because it was fun and challenging, but now that it's be nerfed to high heaven it's not content I enjoy anymore because it's been made so trivial with echo and nerfs to mechanics. It didn't need a nerf, because gear progression alone would have made it trivial enough without the 30% echo buff and eased mechanics. I don't want to see 2nd coil go the same way and once again be left signing on a couple times a week for the only raid we end game players have, while wishing there were other content in the game that were still fun and challenging.

I'm sorry but if you can't even clear T5 with echo and i100 - 110 gear then you definitely don't need the drops from 2nd coil for any purpose other than to wear it as a trophy. This was why I liked the idea of adding "storymode" versions of all the coil fights that allows everyone to witness the story aspect of it while also not having to hit content with a nerf bat.

You act as though you'd consistently go back to that old content. I call BS on that. Sure, I can definitely see folks going back to it once or twice. Maybe even several times... a year. Versus the numerous others who would much more frequently participate in it because of the fact its been nerfed. You will not give a damn, one way or another, about it being nerfed, because you only view it for nostalgic reasons. First off, even if they didn't nerf it, why would you think you'll have the same experience once you're geared from 3rd coil? I bet a response would be that you could still experience that difficulty by wearing lower ilvl gear. To that, I say true... you could... but you won't. Or rather, not enough people would do it to actually make the overall enjoyment factor for the player base worth it to keep unnerfed as time goes on. Especially while it is a little relevant to the less progressed players.

I have little desire to ever do Coil (nerfed or not). Not because I wouldn't be able to, but because endgame raiding is the same old same old. I've been playing MMORPGs since 2003, of which most of it did involve dedicated endgame raiding, and nothing has ever changed about the perspective and philosophy between developers and the player base when it comes to a successful game. Sure, things are easier to do now compared to 10 years ago, but it's the same result through and through. Likewise, these complaints about content being nerfed is nothing new. Every single game has it happen, and every single response is nearly a cut and paste between the players. I'm not holding my breath that the FFXIV community is different on this historically evident matter.

Also, I'd like to point out that FFXIV is not a hardcore raiding game. It's a jack of all trades, master of none. This has been stated, implied, etc over and over by Yoshi-P.

[Giantbane]

Am I one of the only people that DON'T want a nerf , not for the reasons listed, but for this:

I enjoy second coil. It is still a challenge to me. And although I will look forward to Final Coil, I am sad about the fact that Second Coil is going to be nerfed to a point of no more challenge, and I won't have time to beat it while it's still a challenge to me. *See no static/fc comments*

I imagine they'll nerf coil 2 slowly and in increments, just like they did coil 1. So you'll probably have at least a few weeks after the patch to get your "legit" clear in before it gets nerfed. And even after that, it will still probably be "mostly legit" for at least the first month or so.

And if you *really* want a challenge, there's always Savage Coil.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

The hardest part about coil is finding a group to run it with regularly. Coil itself is a total joke.

Discussion should have just ended at this post.

[polyhedral]

I imagine they'll nerf coil 2 slowly and in increments, just like they did coil 1. So you'll probably have at least a few weeks after the patch to get your "legit" clear in before it gets nerfed. And even after that, it will still probably be "mostly legit" for at least the first month or so.

And if you *really* want a challenge, there's always Savage Coil.

There's always savage... These people want challenge, well, there it is, in game, now, for you to play today. Why aren't you doing it instead? You say it's easy, right? It's all about knowing the dance, right? el oh el