Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[Geesus]

That some of the problems with mmo's everyone has certain times schedule different type of gaming they like to do ect it easy just to lump everyone into the same category of gamer, but it isn't as simple as everyone including myself make it out to be.

It's one of the things I miss about XIV being separated by regions rather than open to every person on the planet to play together!

Also, if there is one thing I wish they would "nerf"? Private Housing. Kthx xD

[Tiggy]

SE isn't making it easier because people asked them to. It's something they planned to do with content since before ARR launched. Any time they talk about making coil easier they don't say "Lots of people asked us to do this", they say "The clear rates are unsatisfactory so we're going to add echo and make changes until the clear rates are where we'd like them to be".

Keep ignoring all the stuff they do too make it easier like echo, new gear, and minor mechanics tweaks. I'm sure that will continue make you're point stronger.

[odintius]

It was never intended for everyone and they knew itwouldn't heavily adopted. So I'm not sure what your point is. I know a bunch of people balmung challenging them because was fun. However that doesn't have anything to do with nerfing old content.

It acknowledge by the developers that their somewhat was indeed a demand that you claim there wasn't a demand asking for harder content then what is previously in current game and they wanted to test the water so to speak. Also their is more than just one server besides balmung btw fyi, hence why they add salvage to test that water though they could put gear in their also for more incentive but we really haven't heard much about since but time will tell all.

[Tiggy]

SE isn't making it easier because people asked them to. It's something they planned to do with content since before ARR launched. Any time they talk about making coil easier they don't say "Lots of people asked us to do this", they say "The clear rates are unsatisfactory so we're going to add echo and make changes until the clear rates are where we'd like them to be".

Yes I agree that was their plan and as is fine. My problem is with people who seem to want degraded immediately to the lowest common denominator instantly. foolish and shortsighted.

I'll put it this way. Square knows how many subs they have. We don't. Square knows how many concurrent users they have. We don't. Square knows how many attempts on coil are made each week and how many are successful. We don't. Square knows how many subs they are loosing. We don't.

I think they know more about what they are doing than most of the people here.

[DoctorPepper]

not sure what you want to point out here. I do not even care of taking part in this endless debate.

Woosh.. it was sarcasm based on the person you quoted. :P

[Tiggy]

It acknowledge by the developers that their somewhat was indeed a demand that you claim there wasn't a demand asking for harder content then what is previously in current game and they wanted to test the water so to speak. Also their is more than just one server besides balmung btw fyi, hence why they add salvage to test that water though they could put gear in their also for more incentive but we really haven't heard much about since but time will tell all.

That's all true but it's still a distraction for the topic and hand. We aren't discussing savage.

[odintius]

It's one of the things I miss about XIV being separated by regions rather than open to every person on the planet to play together!

Also, if there is one thing I wish they would "nerf"? Private Housing. Kthx xD

lol agreed.

[Alukah]

SE isn't making it easier because people asked them to. It's something they planned to do with content since before ARR launched. Any time they talk about making coil easier they don't say "Lots of people asked us to do this", they say "The clear rates are unsatisfactory so we're going to add echo and make changes until the clear rates are where we'd like them to be".

And that is correct, this is something I imagine you already know Tiggy, but player feedback isn't regarded as high as metrics for them, not to mention our feedback is filtered a lot by what the community reps decide to gather and how they decide to word it.

I've always assumed they had a plan to ease up on old raids as the average ilvl increased, specially since raids that were originally meant to be cleared by a really small percent of the community within their appropriate time, this is reinforced by the fact that they are adamant to let people help others who may not clear the raid by themselves otherwise while the raid is still relevant, but once the raid is replaced they no longer want to keep a choke hold and they want it to be more and more accessible, so more people can reach the new choke hold, the new raid.

The nerf to first and second coil didn't happen due to people crying, they happened due to metrics, just like the nerf to Pharos Sirius and AK.

EDIT

Yes I agree that was their plan and as is fine. My problem is with people who seem to want degraded immediately to the lowest common denominator instantly. foolish and shortsighted.

I do agree with you here, nerf should happen slowly, checking the metrics to see how people are doing after any modification is made, just so they don't end up over-nerfing it.

[Aethaeryn]

The nerf to first and second coil didn't happen due to people crying, they happened due to metrics, just like the nerf to Pharos Sirius and AK.

I still don't understand the Amdapor Keep nerf. D: I never did Pharos Sirius before they nerfed that, so I can't comment on that. But AK... Oh, and moogle HM.

[Tiggy]

Edited a post above Alukah with a section about such stats. Seems like we're mostly in agreement on that one.